<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919</id><updated>2012-02-26T22:49:50.805-06:00</updated><category term='Protestantism'/><category term='Baptism'/><category term='Eucharist'/><category term='lost in translation'/><category term='Marriage'/><category term='cooperation'/><category term='Catholic Church'/><category term='confession of sins'/><category term='apostolic tradition'/><category term='sola scriptura'/><category term='the Cross of Jesus'/><category term='saints in heaven'/><category term='circumcision'/><category term='obedience and good works'/><category term='faith'/><category term='forgiveness'/><category term='apostolic authority'/><category term='sacraments'/><category term='Mary the Mother of God'/><category term='prayer'/><category term='conversion and holiness'/><title type='text'>Crossfunction</title><subtitle type='html'>...is the name of a Bible study I attended for many years at my previous job.&lt;br&gt;
Here are some thoughts on the chapters and ideas we've discussed.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>39</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-3217235529911550536</id><published>2012-02-26T17:42:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2012-02-26T22:49:50.814-06:00</updated><title type='text'>Numbers 20: Moses and the misery of law without mercy</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;1 And the people of Israel, the whole congregation, came into the wilderness of Zin in the first month, and the people stayed in Kadesh; and Miriam died there, and was buried there. 2 Now there was no water for the congregation; and they assembled themselves together against Moses and against Aaron. 3 And the people contended with Moses, and said, "Would that we had died when our brethren died before the LORD! 4 Why have you brought the assembly of the LORD into this wilderness, that we should die here, both we and our cattle? 5 And why have you made us come up out of Egypt, to bring us to this evil place? It is no place for grain, or figs, or vines, or pomegranates; and there is no water to drink." 6 Then Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly to the door of the tent of meeting, and fell on their faces. And the glory of the LORD appeared to them, 7 and the LORD said to Moses, 8 "Take the rod, and assemble the congregation, you and Aaron your brother, and tell the rock before their eyes to yield its water; so you shall bring water out of the rock for them; so you shall give drink to the congregation and their cattle." 9 And Moses took the rod from before the LORD, as he commanded him. 10 And Moses and Aaron gathered the assembly together before the rock, and he said to them, "Hear now, you rebels; shall we bring forth water for you out of this rock?" 11 And Moses lifted up his hand and struck the rock with his rod twice; and water came forth abundantly, and the congregation drank, and their cattle. 12 And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron, "Because you did not believe in me, to sanctify me in the eyes of the people of Israel, therefore you shall not bring this assembly into the land which I have given them. 13 These are the waters of Mer'ibah, where the people of Israel contended with the LORD, and he showed himself holy among them... 23 And the LORD said to Moses and Aaron at Mount Hor, on the border of the land of Edom, 24 "Aaron shall be gathered to his people; for he shall not enter the land which I have given to the people of Israel, because you rebelled against my command at the waters of Mer'ibah. " &lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Numbers 20:1-13,23-24 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;This passage reminds me of the incident back in Exodus 4:24-26, in which we are told that God almost killed Moses, apparently because Moses had failed to circumcise his son.  In that case circumcision, the rite of initiation into the Old Covenant, was at the heart of the matter.  This time, the peoples' thirst for water and their anger toward Moses drive Moses and Aaron to present themselves to God, Who promises to miraculously provide water from a rock.  But Moses does not seem to mediate God's gift as God desired.  He does not speak to the rock, nor does he explain to the people the merciful character of God's gift.  Rather, he invokes God's gift in a violent display of anger and condemnation.  The people perhaps deserved rebuke for their weakness of faith, but God's mercy was obscured by Moses' rash words (cf. Psalm 106:32-33).  Aaron is silent but apparently complicit in Moses' actions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This incident cost both of them the privilege of entering into the promised land.  But even in this punishment God's mercy is not lacking.  He reveals to Moses and Aaron exactly why they are to be punished, giving them the knowledge and opportunity to repent in the time left to them.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-3217235529911550536?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/3217235529911550536/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2012/02/numbers-20-moses-and-misery-of-law.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3217235529911550536'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3217235529911550536'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2012/02/numbers-20-moses-and-misery-of-law.html' title='Numbers 20: Moses and the misery of law without mercy'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-8767473681898897482</id><published>2011-11-06T21:59:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2011-11-06T22:01:16.565-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obedience and good works'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conversion and holiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Protestantism'/><title type='text'>Would Jesus defend the Catholic Church?</title><content type='html'>Another challenging email!&lt;blockquote&gt;John,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have written to many writers about some of these questions.  Some of them blow them off as if age helps to mitigate the substantialness of them. So I 'll ask you, as you genuinely seem interested and convinced.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At some point don't we have to ask ourselves hard questions such as "Could it be possible that our Church is not Good?" When so much of it's history has been clouded with scandal, and has been responsible for so much hurt and pain,  don't we at some point have to ask ourselves if Jesus himself would defend it?  I find it hard to believe that any thinking Catholic could honestly say that Jesus would defend the Catholic Church and all her sins.  Jesus after all was a Jew, and criticized His own religion for her wrongs.  Why would the label "Catholic" make him think any differently?  It wouldn't.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Wouldn't Jesus just want us to move forward, leaving our imperfect ideas of what a Church should be behind and working together to create a new reality which He intended?  You and so many others like you get so stuck on defending "Catholicism" that you forget what Jesus was all about.  Put your "catholicism" aside and talk to Jesus.  He is a great and wonderful spirit who came here to show us that right is more important than allegiance.  Follow His lead.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let me ask you one important question.  If Jesus came to you and said "The Catholic Church is wrong.  Do not follow it's teachings.  Simply follow Me and My Word."  and then the Catholic Church told you "Do not believe Jesus, He is wrong.  God has established us as the vehicle of truth.  Do as we say."  Who would you believe?  Would you act against the dictates of your Catholic Church to follow Jesus?  What would you do?  Well now you need to change the question.  What WILL you do.&lt;/blockquote&gt;My reply...&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear L,&lt;br /&gt;Thanks a lot for writing.  Your question is very similar to one I received just yesterday, so I refer You to my answer to 'C' in the previous blog entry.  But I'd like to also add a few thoughts here...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You seem to focus on the sins in the history of the Catholic Church. What about the sins in the history of the numerous Protestant churches?  I don't know of any Christian churches that have members without sin.  Does Jesus condemn every church that has sinful members?  Doesn't the Bible teach that the Church will be a home for redeemed sinners struggling to live by faith, sometimes falling into sin, and then repenting and beginning again?  God is a Father seeking to heal sinners, and He works through sinners to do so.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You asked what would I do if Jesus came to me and said that "the Catholic Church is wrong".  Well, honestly, He hasn't said that to me, and You can't expect that I will accept Your letter as the voice of God.  You didn't even do me the courtesy of introducing Your name or the name of Your church.  If You are serious about the truth, and about this discussion, I would like to know Your name and Your church, and then I would be very interested in discussing our beliefs in the light of Scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'd rather we be friends in Christ, not adversaries!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God bless You, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John Robin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-8767473681898897482?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/8767473681898897482/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2011/11/another-challenging-email-john-i-have.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8767473681898897482'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8767473681898897482'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2011/11/another-challenging-email-john-i-have.html' title='Would Jesus defend the Catholic Church?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-88800700953202293</id><published>2011-11-06T21:10:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2011-11-06T21:33:17.165-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Catholic Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='forgiveness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baptism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic authority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conversion and holiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='saints in heaven'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><title type='text'>The Catholic Church's "big lie"</title><content type='html'>I just received a challenging email:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear John.&lt;br /&gt;Allow me to express my thoughts about the Catholic Church's claim to be the onefounded by Jesus Christ.&amp;nbsp; I would say, it is a big lie.&amp;nbsp; If it is theone founded by Jesus Christ, then why so many of them (priests, bishops,cardinals) from the middle ages to now did not live their lives according toJesus Christ's teachings or of the lives of the Apostles. I don't have tomention the details because its very obvious. Just look around. I don't need tocite scriptures to to prove what l am saying because its very obvious. Thankyou. God bless.&lt;br /&gt;C-&lt;/blockquote&gt;Here's my reply...&lt;blockquote&gt;Hi, C,&lt;br /&gt;Thank You for writing to me with Your question.  It’s a very good question and I’ll try to provide some answer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems to me that essentially You are asking why there are sinners in the Church.  You are implying that if Jesus founded a church, its members would be holy; they would live according to Jesus Christ’s teachings; they would not sin.  And if we find a church whose history has many examples among its members and leaders who sinned badly, certainly that is evidence that this church was not founded by Jesus.  Right?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, no, actually.  Look at the first apostles.  James, John –and their mother- wanted special places of honor above the others in Jesus’ kingdom (Matthew 20:21).  Peter denied Jesus three times.  Judas stole money from Jesus and the others, and later betrayed Jesus.  At Jesus’ arrest all the apostles (except John) ran away.  Peter acted hypocritically toward the Jews and gentiles and received the rebuke of Paul.  You can be sure there were many other sad failings among the apostles and other disciples that were not recorded in the Gospels.  And the other New Testament writings are full of evidence that the early Christians were sinners who struggled with divisions, factions, controversies, and scandals.  Not just among the apostles and priests, but among the lay members as well.  Are these facts proof that Jesus did not found a Church, or that His Church was ruined by sin?  Did Jesus' plan to build a Church ultimately fail?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;No.  To think so is to misunderstand the Church Jesus founded.  The Church has the Son of God as its head and cornerstone, but very human apostles as its foundation.  Its walls are built of living stones which are very much redeemed sinners still struggling to imitate Christ despite many failings.  It has the Holy Spirit to guide its members on their path through life, but has human members who have not lost their ability to sin.  Christ is the vine, and we are the branches, but we branches have the ability to choose to do God’s will, or to turn away and prefer our own will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You mention the sinfulness of bishops and cardinals.  But what about Your own sinfulness, and mine?  Has Your life been blameless?  Mine has not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;C, if You believe that “true” Christians don’t sin, then You don’t know Your Bible any better than You know human nature.  If You believe there is a church –perhaps Your own- that has as its leaders and members people who never sin, then I will use Your own words: “it is a big lie”.  The possibility of sin will not be completely erased from the lives of the saved until all the saved have been gathered into Heaven.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Until then we remain at war.  The Holy Spirit equips us to do battle against temptations to turn away from the will of God.  With God’s help it is very possible to resist sin, and to grow stronger so that we can live more and more holy lives.  But in this life we always have the possibility of rejecting God, and Christians sometimes fall into sin.  When we see a fellow believer stumble and fall into sin, it is a terrible thing… just as when it happens in our own lives.  But it does not mean that we are not believers, or that we are not members of Jesus’ Church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;C, the Church is like a hospital, a hospital for sinners.  The hospital does not kick out patients (or the doctors) because they are sick, or because they fall ill more than once.  The fact that they are sick does not prove that the hospital is not a hospital.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, C my friend, I say to You that You are using the wrong measuring stick to identify the Church.  You won’t find the Church Jesus founded by searching for a church with no sinners.  You will find it by asking God to help You find it, and then by studying what the Bible teaches about the Church.  There are several simple things the Bible clearly teaches about the Church:&lt;br /&gt;1) It is One.  Jesus found a Church, and He didn’t found two, three, or ten thousand of them.  He founded one.&lt;br /&gt;2) It is holy.  It contains everything that we need to grow in holiness: holy teachings; the holy sacraments; holy fellowship; the example of countless thousands of saints –a “great cloud of witnesses”- whose lives reflect the light of Christ and inspire us to imitate Him.  It not only helps people become holy, it in fact does produce many people who achieve great holiness.&lt;br /&gt;3) It is “catholic”, meaning universal.  It is a church for the whole world, for all peoples and times.  It is a reflection and foretaste of Heaven, where all Christ’s followers are united in one faith, one Lord, one baptism.&lt;br /&gt;4) It is apostolic.  It was founded upon apostles personally selected by Jesus, and who had the authority to pick other men to share that role with them and after them. For the past twenty centuries that apostolic authority has continued among those who have received it from the apostles and their successors.  Nothing in the Bible indicates that this apostolic foundation was ever to be abandoned.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Catholic Church has the four key characteristics.  Does Yours?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, I think it's dangerous to pass judgement on the hearts of other persons, especially Christians who lived many centuries ago.  People we might be tempted to think were really big sinners might have lived lives more pleasing to God than our own.  Humility and a healthy respect for God's justice should make us guard against passing negative judgement on others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;C, I would love to hear Your thoughts about these important things!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank You again for writing to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God bless You, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John Robin.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-88800700953202293?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/88800700953202293/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2011/11/i-just-received-challenging-email-dear.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/88800700953202293'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/88800700953202293'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2011/11/i-just-received-challenging-email-dear.html' title='The Catholic Church&apos;s &quot;big lie&quot;'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-3283153615105031313</id><published>2011-01-23T21:53:00.003-06:00</published><updated>2011-01-23T22:04:47.566-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sola scriptura'/><title type='text'>Is "sola scriptura" scriptural?</title><content type='html'>A friend wrote me last week in favor of the doctrine of &lt;i&gt;sola scriptura&lt;/i&gt;, held by many (if not most) Protestants.&amp;nbsp; &lt;i&gt;Sola scriptura &lt;/i&gt;is the belief that the Bible contains everything we need to know, for the purpose of salvation and holiness.&amp;nbsp; My friend wrote:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I  recently came across a verse that makes the case for Sola scriptura pretty  plain.&amp;nbsp; "All Scripture is inspired by God and &lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training  in righteousness&lt;/span&gt;; so that the man of God may be adequate, &lt;span style="color: red;"&gt;equipped for every good work&lt;/span&gt;." 2 Timothy 3:16-17&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I really don't see how this could be taken any way other than the scriptures  provide all you need.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;-Ian K., letter of January 18, 2011 (reprinted with permission)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ian, I appreciate and share Your love for Scripture as the written Word of God.&amp;nbsp; It's a measureless treasure of God's revelation to us, and it deserves not only our love, but our respect and study.&amp;nbsp; It's terribly important that we "rightly divide" the word of truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2 Timothy 3:16-17 is perhaps the most commonly cited passage in defense of &lt;i&gt;sola scriptura.&amp;nbsp; &lt;/i&gt;However, a careful reading of the passage reveals that it does not in fact support the belief.&amp;nbsp; Let's take a look:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span class="versetext" id="2ti3-16" style="display: inline;"&gt;All scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,&amp;nbsp;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span class="versetext" id="2ti3-17" style="display: inline;"&gt;that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-2 Timothy 3:16-17 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Is "profitable" &lt;i&gt;sufficient&lt;/i&gt;?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this passage the Greek word translated as "profitable" is "&lt;a href="http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G5624&amp;amp;t=KJV"&gt;&lt;i&gt;ōphelimos&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;".&amp;nbsp; Strong's Concordance translates this as "profitable".&amp;nbsp; Notice that Strong's does not translate this as "sufficient".&amp;nbsp; There are other Greek words in the New Testament which are translated "sufficient", but not this one.&amp;nbsp; Some other translations of this passage use the words, "valuable" or "useful", but not "sufficient".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's an important difference between profitable and sufficient.&amp;nbsp; Something that is sufficient means nothing more is needed.&amp;nbsp; Something that is profitable or useful is helpful, potentially even necessary, but You may need other things in addition to achieve Your goal.&amp;nbsp; If You're going to hike across a desert, a good supply of water is going to be very valuable -perhaps necessary- to You.&amp;nbsp; A map and a GPS unit could be very useful as well.&amp;nbsp; But as useful as water, a map, and GPS unit may be, they may not be sufficient.&amp;nbsp; You may need to bring food as well. You may need sunglasses, a hat, and proper clothing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My point is that this passage from 2 Timothy stresses that Scripture has great value to us.&amp;nbsp; It can teach us, correct us, and train us for good works.&amp;nbsp; But Timothy certainly does not say we need nothing else.&amp;nbsp; In fact, it positively teaches that there are other things that we &lt;i&gt;do &lt;/i&gt;need.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;"...complete, equipped for every good work"&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You may point that Timothy does say that Scripture makes us "complete, equipped for every good work".&amp;nbsp; But Timothy does &lt;i&gt;not &lt;/i&gt;actually say that.&amp;nbsp; He does not say that Scripture itself will make us complete.&amp;nbsp; Briefly, the passage simply says that Scripture is inspired and very useful toward the goal of helping us become trained and fully equipped for every good work.&amp;nbsp; But salvation is more than our good works.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This passage doesn't mention faith.&amp;nbsp; Is faith not needed?&amp;nbsp; It doesn't mention love.&amp;nbsp; Is love not required?&amp;nbsp; It doesn't mention repenting of our sins, or picking up our cross, or confessing Jesus Christ as our savior.&amp;nbsp; Are these not required?&amp;nbsp; 2 Timothy doesn't address every thing of importance to believers, but this doesn't mean that these things aren't needed. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Further, Scripture clearly teaches things that blow &lt;i&gt;sola scriptura &lt;/i&gt;out of the water entirely.&amp;nbsp; This is because Scripture clearly teaches things rejected by protestant theology&lt;i&gt;. &lt;/i&gt;For example, Jesus has given His apostles and their successors certain specific powers: the power to interpret Scripture in a binding manner; the existence and necessity of apostolic tradition; the power to absolve from sin; the power to appoint other men to the apostolic ministry; the power to celebrate the Eucharist and other sacraments... and more.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In particular,&lt;i&gt; sola scriptura &lt;/i&gt;is completely at odds with Scripture because Scripture affirms that the apostles have handed down a body of teaching that is not explicitly and completely contained within Scripture, but which is necessary for us to properly understand and interpret Scripture.&amp;nbsp; There are a number of passages that clearly prove this, but I'll wrap up this letter with just these two from Paul:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you." -1 Corinthians 11:2 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="versetext"&gt;"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.&amp;nbsp;       -2 Thessalonians 2:15 RSV&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ian, there's more scriptural evidence that shows &lt;i&gt;sola scriptura &lt;/i&gt;to be a false teaching, but perhaps You can already see that the teaching is non-scriptural.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do You think?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-3283153615105031313?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/3283153615105031313/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2011/01/friend-wrote-me-last-week-in-favor-of.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3283153615105031313'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3283153615105031313'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2011/01/friend-wrote-me-last-week-in-favor-of.html' title='Is &quot;sola scriptura&quot; scriptural?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-4988713872593520163</id><published>2010-12-08T06:36:00.001-06:00</published><updated>2010-12-08T06:39:18.184-06:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mary the Mother of God'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='saints in heaven'/><title type='text'>December 8: Feast of the Immaculate Conception</title><content type='html'>&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TP97prcNmyI/AAAAAAAAC6M/lWPHQL84o8Q/s1600/Mary+and+Jesus.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" height="320" src="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TP97prcNmyI/AAAAAAAAC6M/lWPHQL84o8Q/s320/Mary+and+Jesus.jpg" width="260" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Mary was predestined from eternity to be the Mother of God, by the decree of Divine providence which determined the incarnation of the Word." - Second Vatican Council, &lt;i&gt;Lumen gentium&lt;/i&gt;, 61&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"God loved her with a unique predilection.  He filled her with the greatest abundance of his celestial gifts and her participation in the divine nature exceeds that of all the angels and saints together.  Her life reflects so great a fullness of innocence and sanctity that a more exalted creature cannot be conceived of, except by the Creator himself."  Pius IX, Apostolic Letter, &lt;i&gt;Ineffabilis Deus&lt;/i&gt;, 8 December 1854&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"We look up to her, as on a Star that guides us, shining through the dark clouds of human uncertainty.  The annual Solemnity of the Immaculate Conception shines bright from within the background of the Advent liturgy.  We contemplate Our Lady in the divine economy of salvation as the 'Gate of heaven' through which the Redeemer comes into the world."  John Paul II, &lt;i&gt;Address&lt;/i&gt;, 8 December 1982&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do You wish to draw closer to Jesus?&amp;nbsp; Draw closer to Mary.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-4988713872593520163?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/4988713872593520163/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2010/12/december-8-feast-of-immaculate.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/4988713872593520163'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/4988713872593520163'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2010/12/december-8-feast-of-immaculate.html' title='December 8: Feast of the Immaculate Conception'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TP97prcNmyI/AAAAAAAAC6M/lWPHQL84o8Q/s72-c/Mary+and+Jesus.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-8506709775561349448</id><published>2010-07-08T22:26:00.013-05:00</published><updated>2010-07-14T06:40:32.382-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Catholic Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic authority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sola scriptura'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cooperation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='faith'/><title type='text'>Getting it right</title><content type='html'>Hi, Ian!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You wrote,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;hi John,&lt;br /&gt;Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. I'm not a student of theology and am not able to interpret why you feel that what is written here is evidence of apostolic authority. This directive seems kind of harsh and the date suggests it is the word of men&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;The Creed of the Council of Toledo, A.D. 400, 447: (14)&lt;br /&gt;"The rule of the Catholic faith against all heresies...&lt;br /&gt;12. If anyone either believes that any scriptures, except those which the Catholic Church has received, ought to be held in authority or venerates them, let him be anathema."&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We all believe in the same new testament and it changed everything, so why then is there this strife, why does the Holy Spirit dwell in people of all denominations, how does someone like Heidi Baker do miracles, by the glory of God which is working though her. Her ministry is non-denominational. I suggest that it's not what church you go to, that's not it at all, but how you well you follow Jesus's instructions about humbling yourself etc..so that Christ dwells in you, Ep 3:17 I started my walk with God just over a year ago and am a bit disappointed that more believer's aren't tuned into what God says we can do, Mark 16 : 17 &amp;amp; 18 or John 14: 13 &amp;amp; 14 according to the word, we should really be able to make a big difference. We need more of the kind of teaching about what we can do if we &lt;b&gt;get it right&lt;/b&gt; &lt;i&gt;[emphasis added]&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Ian K., letter of June 24, 2010 (reprinted with permission)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ian, congratulations to You for just recently starting to walk with God!&amp;nbsp; That's wonderful and exciting, and with God's grace You'll continue to grow in faith, hope and love, persevering to the end.&amp;nbsp;   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You're right to say that the Holy Spirit moves in the hearts of  Christians in many denominations. But there's more to it.&amp;nbsp; If we want to gain everything the Spirit has to offer, we need to cooperate.&amp;nbsp; If God offers us many of His gifts through the ministry of the Church He founded, can we expect to receive them all if we are not united to His Church? You can't be truly united to Jesus without being united to His Church.  Pride might try to seduce us into doing it all on our own, but don't be fooled!  Jesus knew what He was doing when He founded His Church, and it's for our blessing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TDKjCA2AEBI/AAAAAAAAC1Q/jQcGnlBKl18/s1600/us+soldier+in+iraq.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TDKjCA2AEBI/AAAAAAAAC1Q/jQcGnlBKl18/s320/us+soldier+in+iraq.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;If You had to go on a dangerous combat mission You would want to be trained, equipped, and accompanied by the best military officers.&amp;nbsp; You'd want to survive Your mission.&amp;nbsp; You'd want to have every possible advantage, and &lt;i&gt;You'd want to get it right.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Christian life is no less important!&amp;nbsp; It's dangerous because we still have defects and easily fall into sin.&amp;nbsp; Living by faith does not mean "winging it" without the many helps the Holy Spirit provides through the Church.&amp;nbsp; Does God provide graces and assistance to Christians who belong to many denominations?&amp;nbsp; Certainly.&amp;nbsp; But does He provide ALL His assistance in this manner?&amp;nbsp; No.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Living by faith is both a spiritual and a practical matter.&amp;nbsp; We must trust God, but we must trust Him enough to do what He says and unite ourselves to His Church.&amp;nbsp; There we find the 'big guns' of the spiritual life: the Sacraments which Jesus instituted, fellowship, apostolic teaching, and many other blessings too.&amp;nbsp; It simply makes sense to equip ourselves with the best that God offers us.  It's not enough just to do good works.  We need to be securely founded on the truth which Jesus entrusted to the apostles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is how we can really &lt;i&gt;get it right&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, a response to Your quotation from the Council of Toledo... You raise two objections against it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;First: You say it sounds "harsh", but I say it's merely an uncompromising statement about which writings belong in the Bible.  It's very similar to Paul's statement to the Galatians to safeguard the preaching they had received from apostolic sources: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed." &lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Galatians 1:8 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is Paul's statement harsh?  Perhaps.  But we should be more concerned with whether it's &lt;i&gt;true,&lt;/i&gt; and whether it applies to us.  There are lots of statements in Scripture which may seem a little harsh.  The apostles sometimes used pretty tough talk, and Christians today probably need a bit of that, just like in the first century.  Shouldn't the Church proclaim the truth with whatever words best fit the situation? &lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Second: You imply that since the Creed of the Council of Toledo occurred in the fifth century A.D. that therefore its teachings are "the word of men".  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I dealt with this issue in my &lt;a href="http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2010/06/is-bible-pillar-of-truth.html"&gt;previous letter&lt;/a&gt;, and I don't want to waste Your time by repeating my explanation in detail.  But in a nutshell, Scripture teaches clearly that the apostles' legitimate successors today have the same authority to teach that the apostles had in the first century.  When they do so they are not teaching the "words of men" but the Gospel of Jesus Christ.  If we reject them we reject Christ.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You said You're "not a student of theology", and didn't respond to my biblical defense of the importance of the Church. But You're a Christian now, and Christians have to be committed to following the Gospel truth wherever it leads. Call it theology if You want, but it's really just the Good News of Jesus Christ.&amp;nbsp; And Scripture shows that if we want the &lt;i&gt;fullness&lt;/i&gt; of that Gospel truth, our best option is faithful unity with the apostles and their successors.&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." &lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;2 Thessalonians 2:15 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Arguing that we don't need the apostles or Church -"the pillar and bulwark of the truth" (1 Timothy 3:15)- is like telling God that we don't need exactly what He has revealed we &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; need.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The truth about this is too important to gloss over.  As a Christian &lt;i&gt;You have a right to know the truth,&lt;/i&gt; and a duty to respond to it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ian, good talking with You!  I hope You'll write back with Your thoughts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cheers,&lt;br /&gt;John Robin.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-8506709775561349448?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/8506709775561349448/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2010/07/hi-ian-first-congratulations-to-you-for.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8506709775561349448'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8506709775561349448'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2010/07/hi-ian-first-congratulations-to-you-for.html' title='Getting it right'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TDKjCA2AEBI/AAAAAAAAC1Q/jQcGnlBKl18/s72-c/us+soldier+in+iraq.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112799812698057180</id><published>2010-06-14T23:36:00.002-05:00</published><updated>2010-06-14T23:42:06.860-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='saints in heaven'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prayer'/><title type='text'>Talking to "dead" people?</title><content type='html'>Praying to saints in Heaven: Does the Bible support asking saints in Heaven for their help?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h2&gt;"He is not God of the dead, but of the living..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Mark 12:26&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/h2&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;What does it mean to “pray”?&lt;/h3&gt;1.  To utter or address a prayer or prayers to God, a god, or another object of worship.&lt;br /&gt;2. To make a fervent request or entreaty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pray"&gt;http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=pray&lt;/a&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Is prayer effective?&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;…pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;James 5:6&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We should pray for each other because God chooses to make our prayer effective.  And the closer one is to God, the more effective is his prayer.  One who is deeply united to God is powerful in prayer.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/maest_012.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/400/maest_012.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; float: right; margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px;" title="DUCCIO di Buoninsegna. Maestà (Madonna with Angels and Saints), 1308-11. Tempera on wood, 214 x 412 cm. Museo dell'Opera del Duomo, Siena" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Should Christians pray for each other?&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Pray at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Ephesians 6:18&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Prayer is effective, and God commands us to pray for each other.  Therefore we should pray constantly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I appeal to you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Romans 15:30&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;We give thanks to God always for you all, constantly mentioning you in our prayers &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div align="right"&gt;1 Thessalonians 1:2  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do Christ’s members in Heaven pray any less constantly than Paul did on Earth?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;How are believers connected to Christ?&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in me, and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;John 15:5&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are connected to Christ as branches to a vine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"…that there may be no discord in the body, but that the members may have the same care for one another.  If one member suffers, all suffer together; if one member is honored, all rejoice together.  Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;1 Corinthains 12:25-27&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are united to each other as the distinct members of a body are united under the head.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For as in one body we have many members, and all the members do not have the same function, so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Romans 12:4-5&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We are as connected to Christ as members of a body are connected to that body. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Revelation 19:7&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Believers are individually and collectively united with Christ as a bride is united to her husband.  Those in Heaven have more perfectly entered into this nuptial union.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Does death separate believers from Christ? &lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For I am sure that neither death, nor life… will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Rom 8:38-39 &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because believers are united to Christ, they are united to each other –whether in Heaven or on Earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;He is not God of the dead, but of the living; you are quite wrong. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Mark 12:26-27&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those who have “fallen asleep” in Christ are spiritually separated neither from Christ nor from us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;For our knowledge is imperfect and our prophecy is imperfect; but when the perfect comes, the imperfect will pass away. When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man, I gave up childish ways. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall understand fully, even as I have been fully understood. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;1 Corinthians 13:9-12&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Beloved, we are God's children now; it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when he appears we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;1 John 3:2&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Are those in Heaven aware of what is happening on Earth?&lt;/h3&gt;Scripture teaches that those in Heaven are indeed united to us and are concerned for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the witness they had borne; they cried out with a loud voice, "O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before thou wilt judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?" Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brethren should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Revelation 6:9-11&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Hebrews 12:22-23&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Believers on Earth already have “one foot in the door” of Heaven, and stand in the invisible presence of the company of Heaven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Hebrews 12:1&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Those in Heaven witness our lives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"See that you do not despise one of these little ones; for I tell you that in heaven their angels always behold the face of my Father who is in heaven."  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Matthew 18:10 &lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The angels of the children of God are present in Heaven.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Just so, I tell you, there is joy before the angels of God over one sinner who repents." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Luke 15:10&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The angels in Heaven are aware of a repentant sinner.&amp;nbsp; Are repentant sinners kept a secret from the saints in Heaven?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Can those in Heaven pray for us?&lt;/h3&gt;Those in Heaven not only can and do pray, but directly participate in offering our own prayers to God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.&lt;br /&gt;And they sung a new canticle, saying:  Thou art worthy, O Lord, to take the book and to open the seals thereof:  because thou wast slain and hast redeemed us to God, in thy blood, out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation:&lt;br /&gt;And hast made us to our God a kingdom and priests, and we shall reign on the earth. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Revelation 5:8-10&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The “ancients” or “elders” sing that they were “redeemed… out of every tribe”, and that they were made a “kingdom and priests”.  Only humans are priests, and only humans can be redeemed from “every tribe and tongue and people and nation”.  Therefore these are human souls in Heaven.  (Whether they are embodied we are not told.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They each bear before the throne of God “vials of odours” or “bowls of incense”, “which are the prayers of the saints.”  These saints are either on earth or in Heaven.  Most Christians believe this passage refers to the prayers of saints living on Earth.  Therefore, there are souls in Heaven –the “elders”- who are actively involved in offering to God the prayers of Christians on Earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A kingdom of priests… Does this mean “every man for himself”?  On the contrary, it means every man dedicates himself in love for the good of others.  Is this reality of self-giving love to end once we arrive in Heaven?  &lt;i&gt;No, it is fulfilled and made perfect.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What do priests do?  They represent their people before God.  They offer worship and prayers to God on behalf of others.  They make sacrifice for themselves and others.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And another angel came and stood before the altar, having a golden censer:  and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints, upon the golden altar which is before the throne of God.&amp;nbsp; And the smoke of the incense of the prayers of the saints ascended up before God from the hand of the angel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Revelation 8:3-4&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The “angel before God” likewise participates in offering incense with our prayers, making our prayers more pleasing and acceptable before God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Why should we pray to saints in Heaven when we can “go straight to God”?&lt;/h3&gt;We should indeed go “straight to God” with our prayers daily, even constantly.  But we should not selfishly pray only for ourselves.  We should pray for all those believers who need our prayers.  Likewise, just as we should pray for others, it is right to ask others to pray for us, just as Paul did.&amp;nbsp;  Do we need the prayers of others any less than Paul did?&amp;nbsp; The Bible teaches we are united to all believers, including those in Heaven.&amp;nbsp; Should we exclude them from our requests for help?&amp;nbsp; Not according to Scripture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Continue steadfastly in prayer, being watchful in it with thanksgiving; and pray for us also, that God may open to us a door for the word, to declare the mystery of Christ, on account of which I am in prison, that I may make it clear, as I ought to speak. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;Colossians 4:2-4&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;James 5:6&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The prayers of the saints in Heaven are very powerful because these saints are deeply united to God, and because they love us very much and care for our salvation.&amp;nbsp; They are willing and able to assist us with their powerful intercession before God.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112799812698057180?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112799812698057180/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/talking-to-dead-people.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112799812698057180'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112799812698057180'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/talking-to-dead-people.html' title='Talking to &quot;dead&quot; people?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-2208725145179535265</id><published>2010-06-06T15:50:00.026-05:00</published><updated>2010-06-09T06:25:47.859-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Catholic Church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic authority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sola scriptura'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Protestantism'/><title type='text'>Is the Bible the pillar of truth?</title><content type='html'>Yesterday I received a letter from a fellow who’s got some pointed questions (and misgivings) about the Catholic Church.  Below I take up one of Ian K's issues, and hope we'll have an opportunity to discuss them all… (I'm reprinting Ian's name and most of his letter with his kind permission.)&lt;br /&gt;______________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;hi- the pope claims that the only true church is catholic. How can a statement like this be made? I belong to a non-denominational church who's only doctrine is what is written in the bible. The catholic church clearly worship idols, all the statues of different saints or the virgin Mary, who was only a woman not a deity. The catholics are responsible for more negative PR than the devil. How come you could only eat fish on Fridays and then suddenly it becomes ok to eat meat. I have yet to come across either in the scriptures. This however, is only a small point but it shows the catholic doctrines are from man and not from the word of God. You say yourselves "Who can forgive sins but God alone?" -Mark 2:7 RSV yet confess to priests and they forgive you. That alone should be the end of the discussion. But there's so much more. What's with all the priests getting away with pedophilia and the many examples of the churches being a huge, magnificent structure in the middle of a slum. This is missing the whole point (wasn't it share the wealth?) and, at the same time, driving people away from God...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Ian K., letter of June 5, 2010&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;______________________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi, Ian, nice to hear from You.  You’ve got lots of good questions, but too many to try answer all at once.  I’d like to try to focus on one point at a time, and then see where it takes us, okay?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;What does the Bible say about it?&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps the most basic issue You raise is about where Christian doctrine comes from.  You wrote, &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“I belong to a non-denominational church who's only doctrine is what is written in the bible.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, You’ve got lots of fellow Protestants who likewise believe that Scripture and Scripture alone is the sole rule of faith and morals.  You probably know that this doctrine is called &lt;i&gt;sola scriptura&lt;/i&gt;, and of course it’s one of the pillars of Protestantism.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However &lt;i&gt;sola scriptura&lt;/i&gt; is not taught by Scripture.  It’s not even compatible with Scripture.  In fact, Scripture teaches against it clearly, repeatedly, and emphatically.  Yet many people believe the doctrine because, well, they love Scripture as the inspired Word of God (which of course it is), they’ve been taught by their family or their church to accept this doctrine, and they assume it's true.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But if we love Scripture, we must love the truth and desire to know more clearly whether Scripture really teaches what we've been told it does.  So what does the Bible say about it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scripture does not teach that Jesus delivered His saving message by simply dropping a book from the clouds and leaving us to figure it out on our own.  Instead, He picked disciples and personally taught them His message through words, deeds, miracles... His whole life, death and resurrection.  He appointed some of them to be apostles with the mission to carry His message to the ends of the earth.  He gave them the protection of the Holy Spirit to guard the purity of the message.  And He gave Peter, and the others in union with him, the authority to interpret it definitively and preach it without error.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Matthew 16:18-19 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TA2p5ybylzI/AAAAAAAACz4/tss8hE0MhIQ/s1600/pierre-puget-st-peter-keys.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: right; float: right; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TA2p5ybylzI/AAAAAAAACz4/tss8hE0MhIQ/s320/pierre-puget-st-peter-keys.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Luke 10:16 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Matthew 28:18-20 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This apostolic ministry is at the very foundation of the Church Jesus founded, and it’s something the Church can’t do without in the twenty-first century any more than it could in the first century.  That’s why from the very beginning the apostles used their authority to appoint other men to share in their apostolic ministry.  In the book of Acts we see Matthias appointed the first successor to the apostolic ministry.  (cf. Acts 1:15-26)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;No other foundation&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Revelation 21:14 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"You form a building which rises on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the capstone."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Ephesians 2:20 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"...and like living stones be yourselves built into a spiritual house..." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-1 Peter 2 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is the way Jesus built His Church: He’s the cornerstone; His apostles are the foundation; we are the living stones which are built upon that foundation.  We're not free to change the way Jesus built His Church.  In any case, can the bricks of a building remain secure if they leave their foundation?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Scripture describes the Church as a "spiritual house", a building with a permanent cornerstone, a permanent foundation, and living stones connected to each other and united to Christ through that foundation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Where's the Gospel?&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, it wasn't until years after Jesus ascended to Heaven –even decades later, in some cases- that some of these men wrote the books of the New Testament under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.  Where was the Gospel to be found during these years before the New Testament ever existed?  How was it preserved, interpreted, and taught before any of it was written down?  The same way that Jesus delivered it: through the oral preaching and living example of the apostles and their successors.  And did the apostles stop their preaching once the books of the New Testament were completed?  Of course not.  They wrote these books to supplement and reinforce their ongoing teaching, not to replace it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;“But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder...”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Romans 15:15&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The apostolic preaching continued, carried on through the centuries by those appointed by the apostles and their successors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The apostle’s writings are authoritative not because they are written, but because they are of apostolic authority.  It is through apostolic authority that we know &lt;a href="http://www.onechurch.org/Historical_evidence_on_the_canon_of_Scripture.htm"&gt;which books belong in the Bible&lt;/a&gt;, and it is through this same authority that we are helped to discover their authentic meaning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;From the hands of the apostles&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My point is not to deny the importance of Scripture, but rather to insist that it’s of utmost importance to interpret and understand Scripture correctly, according to the mind of Jesus and His apostles.  For this we must use the means that Jesus has provided His Church.  And Jesus gave His Church apostles with the authority to interpret and teach.  Should we study Scripture privately and prayerfully?  Certainly.  But always we must listen to the apostles and their successors and embrace their teaching.  Scripture repeatedly warns us against accepting doctrines that contradict the apostolic tradition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-2 Thessalonians 2:15 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"&gt;&lt;a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TA2qc2QJGuI/AAAAAAAAC0A/7jlrXPMe710/s1600/saint-paul-preaching-in-athens.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="clear: left; float: left; margin-bottom: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"&gt;&lt;img border="0" src="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TA2qc2QJGuI/AAAAAAAAC0A/7jlrXPMe710/s320/saint-paul-preaching-in-athens.jpg" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast -- unless you believed in vain."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-1 Corinthians 15:1-2 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to that which we preached to you, let him be accursed. --As we have said before, so now I say again, If any one is preaching to you a gospel contrary to that which you received, let him be accursed."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Galatians 1: 8-9 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And we [the apostles] have the prophetic word made more sure. You will do well to pay attention to this as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation,"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-2 Peter 1:19-20 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we cut ourselves off from the apostolic preaching, claiming that “we don’t need apostles because we have the Holy Spirit”, we delude ourselves.&amp;nbsp; The apostolic tradition is a most precious safeguard of the Gospel truth.&amp;nbsp; Separate ourselves from this, and we separate ourselves from God's appointed safeguards of the Gospel. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"There are some things in them [Paul's letters] hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-2 Peter 3:16 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Rejecting apostolic succession and the Church's teaching authority, Christian denominations have arisen, split over doctrinal disputes, multiplied, and split, again without ceasing.  One need only browse the internet or the phone book to see the resulting disunity: tens of thousands of Christian churches with thousands of different creeds: a pathetic tower of Babel where the world needs to see one, shining city on a hill.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;h3&gt;Standing on the pillar of truth&lt;/h3&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"And they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Acts 2:42 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The protection of the Holy Spirit which Christians enjoy has several forms, but primarily we receive it through remaining faithful to what we’ve received from the teachers God has sent us.  But this does not permit us to pick teachers according to our own liking.  Rather, the pattern of Scripture urges us to seek out those who truly have apostolic authority, those who, like Mathias, were picked and appointed by those who themselves received this authority.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul wrote that the Church is:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"...the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth." &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-1 Timothy 3:15 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is this Church which Jesus gave the power to interpret and explain His message, and many gifts to help us live that message in a way pleasing to Him and helpful to our salvation and sanctification.  If we wish to be united with Him, should we not seek direction from those whom He sent to guide us?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Again, according to Scripture, what is “the pillar and bulwark of the truth”?  The Church.  The Church is our guarantee of receiving the truth of the Bible intact.  Doctrines which contradict what the Church teaches therefore contradict the apostolic preaching and should be rejected, no matter how pleasing they may sound.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ian, most Christian churches deny that they have the apostolic authority I have described above.  The Roman Catholic Church claims to have this authority, and this claim is supported by 2000 years of history showing an unbroken chain of apostolic succession.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some Christians deny this history exists, deny that the apostolic ministry is a permanent part of the Church, deny even that it even existed past the first century.  But to deny these things one must deny Scripture.  And this we can’t and mustn’t do.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ian, I propose to You that &lt;i&gt;sola scriptura&lt;/i&gt; -the belief that all Christian doctrine should or could be based purely on Scripture- is actually a doctrine of men, not of God.  It’s not a doctrine taught by Jesus in the 1st century, and it didn’t gain traction until it was promoted by certain European men in the 16th century.  It’s a pillar of Protestantism, but it’s not a pillar of Scripture, and certainly not a pillar of truth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, Ian, I ask You: what do You think of the biblical fact of apostolic authority which I've tried to outline above? Do You agree that we should take it seriously?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank You for writing to me, Ian, and for Your great questions.  Perhaps once we finish up with &lt;i&gt;sola scriptura&lt;/i&gt; and apostolic authority we could talk about Your other questions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please do send Your thoughts!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Cheers,&lt;br /&gt;John Robin.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-2208725145179535265?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/2208725145179535265/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2010/06/is-bible-pillar-of-truth.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/2208725145179535265'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/2208725145179535265'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2010/06/is-bible-pillar-of-truth.html' title='Is the Bible the pillar of truth?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/TA2p5ybylzI/AAAAAAAACz4/tss8hE0MhIQ/s72-c/pierre-puget-st-peter-keys.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-8370513732659349691</id><published>2009-09-15T12:30:00.005-05:00</published><updated>2009-09-15T12:35:53.552-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mary the Mother of God'/><title type='text'>Behold your mother</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://www.antioch.com.sg/cgi-bin/bible.pl?John+19:25-27"&gt;John 19:25-27 (RSV)&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"So the soldiers did this. But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Mag'dalene. When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, 'Woman, behold, your son!' Then he said to the disciple, 'Behold, your mother!' And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home." &lt;div style="text-align:right"&gt;John 19:25-27 (RSV)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Mary, our mother through Jesus our brother, pray for us!  Pray that Jesus will help us love Him more perfectly.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-8370513732659349691?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/8370513732659349691/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/09/passage-john-1925-27-rsv.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8370513732659349691'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8370513732659349691'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/09/passage-john-1925-27-rsv.html' title='Behold your mother'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-8582615663736576630</id><published>2009-09-14T20:00:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2010-06-10T12:11:27.409-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the Cross of Jesus'/><title type='text'>Heart on the Cross!</title><content type='html'>September 14, 2009: The Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"...who, though [Christ Jesus] was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross.  Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align:right"&gt;Philippians 2:4-11 (RSV)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus had a right to demand obedience, worship, love.  But when He condescended to become human, vulnerable to "suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune", He chose to accept these arrows, to be humbled, to renounce His rights, to suffer whatever outrage might be permitted by the hand of His heavenly Father.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It was through His Holy Cross that He was humbled, and through the Cross that we are exalted.  But only through the Cross.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;At times the Cross appears without our looking for it: it is Christ who is seeking us out. And if by chance, before this unexpected Cross which, perhaps, is therefore more difficult to understand, your heart were to show repugnance... don't give it consolations. And, filled with a noble compassion, when it asks for them, say to it slowly, as one speaking in confidence: 'Heart: heart on the Cross! Heart on the Cross! '&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align:right"&gt;The Way of the Cross, St. Josemaría Escrivá&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-8582615663736576630?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/8582615663736576630/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/09/passage-philippians-24-11-rsv.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8582615663736576630'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8582615663736576630'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/09/passage-philippians-24-11-rsv.html' title='Heart on the Cross!'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-395797553070904102</id><published>2009-08-12T07:40:00.013-05:00</published><updated>2009-08-13T12:55:28.900-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic authority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='lost in translation'/><title type='text'>A democratic Church?</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;table&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;"But if thy brother shall offend against thee, go, and rebuke him between thee and him alone. If he shall hear thee, thou shalt gain thy brother.  And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. And if he will not hear them: tell &lt;strong&gt;the church&lt;/strong&gt;. And if he will not hear &lt;strong&gt;the church&lt;/strong&gt;, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align:right"&gt;Matthew 18:15-17 Douay-Rheims Bible&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td&gt;"If your brother does something wrong, go and have it out with him alone, is between your two selves. If he listens to you, you have won back your brother. If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you: the evidence of two or three witnesses is required to sustain any charge. But if he refuses to listen to these, report it to &lt;strong&gt;the community&lt;/strong&gt;; and if he refuses to listen to &lt;strong&gt;the community&lt;/strong&gt;, treat him like a pagan or a tax collector."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align:right"&gt;Matthew 18:15-17 New Jerusalem Bible&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wonder why the translators of the New Jerusalem Bible decided to render the Greek word "ekklesia" (church, assembly) as "community"?  Such a decision seems designed to avoid the implication that some types of dispute might be mediated or resolved by leaders of the Church.  "Community" in this translation would seem to suggest a more democratic method of resolving a dispute: perhaps everyone goes down to the meetin' hall and votes on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...except the Bible presents an image of the Church that doesn't match this democratic model.  Important questions and disputes were not decided by opinion polls of people "in the pews", but by the authority of the apostles.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Church is a community, yes, but a community with an apostolic foundation and hierarchical structure, as Scripture plainly shows.  It's not merely a group of people sharing a common faith, but rather a Body.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A body is composed of parts, but it's more than just a lifeless pile of disconnected body parts: a horrifying image.  A living body's members are arranged in a harmonious structure, each member having its function and place, each vitally important, each serving the others, and through them the whole.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, the Church of the New Testament is not just a collection of believers.  It's a body of members united to Christ, its cornerstone and supernatural Head, and with the apostles and their legitimate successors as the foundation upon which it stands.  Apostolic authority is indispensable to the Church's ability to preserve and interpret the Gospel message, and for the Church to be able to apply that message to the situations that it encounters every day.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is why the Catholic Church continues to have a pope, bishops, priests, and deacons, and carefully preserves and transmits apostolic authority through the imposition of hands.  Jesus gave His Church such a structure, and nothing in His teachings indicates He ever wished that structure to change.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-395797553070904102?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/395797553070904102/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/08/translators-gone-wild.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/395797553070904102'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/395797553070904102'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/08/translators-gone-wild.html' title='A democratic Church?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-346364243500601849</id><published>2009-07-13T08:14:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2009-07-13T08:17:31.828-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='forgiveness'/><title type='text'>Bearing a grudge?</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;"Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD." -Leviticus 19:18 KJV&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-346364243500601849?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/346364243500601849/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/07/bearing-grudge.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/346364243500601849'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/346364243500601849'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/07/bearing-grudge.html' title='Bearing a grudge?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-9060966911741181358</id><published>2009-04-23T12:34:00.004-05:00</published><updated>2009-05-07T21:56:28.405-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conversion and holiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='confession of sins'/><title type='text'>Why should I confess my sins to a priest?</title><content type='html'>Answer coming soon!  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, if someone asks me for an answer, I'll try to provide one soon.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-9060966911741181358?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/9060966911741181358/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/04/why-should-i-confess-my-sins-to-priest.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/9060966911741181358'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/9060966911741181358'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/04/why-should-i-confess-my-sins-to-priest.html' title='Why should I confess my sins to a priest?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-4031069910115598581</id><published>2009-03-04T06:28:00.006-06:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T14:30:10.420-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baptism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conversion and holiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cooperation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='faith'/><title type='text'>Saved by another's faith?</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;3:1 Then the word of the LORD came to Jonah the second time, saying,&lt;br /&gt;3:2 "Arise, go to Nin'eveh, that great city, and proclaim to it the message that I tell you."&lt;br /&gt;3:3 So Jonah arose and went to Nin'eveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nin'eveh was an exceedingly great city, three days' journey in breadth.&lt;br /&gt;3:4 Jonah began to go into the city, going a day's journey. And he cried, "Yet forty days, and Nin'eveh shall be overthrown!"&lt;br /&gt;3:5 And the people of Nin'eveh believed God; they proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them to the least of them.&lt;br /&gt;3:6 Then tidings reached the king of Nin'eveh, and he arose from his throne, removed his robe, and covered himself with sackcloth, and sat in ashes.&lt;br /&gt;3:7 And he made proclamation and published through Nin'eveh, "By the decree of the king and his nobles: Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; let them not feed, or drink water,&lt;br /&gt;3:8 but let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and let them cry mightily to God; yea, let every one turn from his evil way and from the violence which is in his hands.&lt;br /&gt;3:9 Who knows, God may yet repent and turn from his fierce anger, so that we perish not?"&lt;br /&gt;3:10 When God saw what they did, how they turned from their evil way, God repented of the evil which he had said he would do to them; and he did not do it.&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Jonah 3:1-10 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"...from the greatest of them to the least of them...(v. 5)" &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even the infants believed God, proclaimed a fast, and put on the sackcloth?  The passage states the &lt;i&gt;entire city,&lt;/i&gt; without exception, believed and repented.  If children too young to understand what was happening were included in this -and they were- then this means that they were not excluded from the benefits of their families' faith and repentance.  They were saved from destruction because of their parents' acts of faith.  Later, as they would grow up, God would require them to exercise faith of their own.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Much as in Baptism.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-4031069910115598581?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/4031069910115598581/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/03/universalis-mass.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/4031069910115598581'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/4031069910115598581'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/03/universalis-mass.html' title='Saved by another&apos;s faith?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-3600300473738089776</id><published>2009-03-03T06:35:00.006-06:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T08:54:29.151-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obedience and good works'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prayer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='cooperation'/><title type='text'>Fruitful work</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;For as the rain and the snow come down from heaven, and return not thither but water the earth, making it bring forth and sprout, giving seed to the sower and bread to the eater, so shall my word be that goes forth from my mouth; it shall not return to me empty, but it shall accomplish that which I purpose, and prosper in the thing for which I sent it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Isaiah 55:10-11 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God's Word accomplishes what it was sent for, but God shows how much He counts on our cooperation.  His Word provides for "the sower" and "the eater", but can not help him who refuses to do what God desires.  Thus unwilling to sow or eat can not obtain seed or nourishment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God provides the means for us to accept salvation and live the new life He offers us.  But this new life requires us to cooperate with Him.  God generously and patiently offers all we need to live this life successfully, but He can't live it for us.  For our own good He counts on us to make good use of His gifts.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-3600300473738089776?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/3600300473738089776/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/03/work-of-fruitfulness.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3600300473738089776'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3600300473738089776'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/03/work-of-fruitfulness.html' title='Fruitful work'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-8467970257414884516</id><published>2009-01-16T12:54:00.011-06:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T09:07:10.413-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obedience and good works'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conversion and holiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='faith'/><title type='text'>Living the "obedience of faith"</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;"1 Let us fear therefore lest the promise being left of entering into his rest, any of you should be thought to be wanting. &lt;br /&gt;2 For unto us also it hath been declared, in like manner as unto them. But the word of hearing did not profit them, not being mixed with faith of those things they heard. &lt;br /&gt;3 For we, who have believed, shall enter into rest; as he said: As I have sworn in my wrath; If they shall enter into my rest; and this indeed when the works from the foundation of the world were finished. &lt;br /&gt;4 For in a certain place he spoke of the seventh day thus: And God rested the seventh day from all his works. &lt;br /&gt;5 And in this place again: If they shall enter into my rest. &lt;br /&gt;6 Seeing then it remaineth that some are to enter into it, and they, to whom it was first preached, did not enter because of unbelief: &lt;br /&gt;7 Again he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time, as it is above said: To day if you shall hear his voice, harden not your hearts. &lt;br /&gt;8 For if Jesus had given them rest, he would never have afterwards spoken of another day. &lt;br /&gt;9 There remaineth therefore a day of rest for the people of God. &lt;br /&gt;10 For he that is entered into his rest, the same also hath rested from his works, as God did from his. &lt;br /&gt;11 Let us hasten therefore to enter into that rest; lest any man fall into the same example of unbelief."&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Hebrews 4:1-11 RSV&lt;/div&gt; &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The author of Hebrews says that the Israelites did not reach the "place of rest" because they failed to have faith in the divine message delivered through God's messengers. He stresses that God's work was not lacking, that it was completed and therefore God rested on the seventh day. Likewise, we are cautioned to do everything necessary to be obedient to all that the gift of faith demands. Else we may find that we, like the Israelites who wandered the desert of disobedience, may disqualify ourselves from the promised land.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God's work of redemption is complete. But receiving this gift and remaining heir to its promise until the inheritance is at hand requires more than an initial and verbal "Yes".  Faith is a gift that demands that we put into practice whatever God asks of us.  That we believe with our minds and hearts, and put that belief into concrete practice with our will and body: that when we fail this, we repent and begin again and again, and persevere in this divine sonship until the end. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is only this path that assures us of entering into the land that God has prepared for those who love Him.  &lt;/P&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-8467970257414884516?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/8467970257414884516/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/01/living-obedience-of-faith.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8467970257414884516'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/8467970257414884516'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2009/01/living-obedience-of-faith.html' title='Living the &quot;obedience of faith&quot;'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-1378931851685134424</id><published>2007-08-29T21:16:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T09:06:52.023-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conversion and holiness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the Cross of Jesus'/><title type='text'>Preaching Christ crucified</title><content type='html'>A Christian friend who describes himself as "non-denominational" mentioned that Protestant churches usually display a cross, not a crucifix, and that some Protestants "have a problem" with Catholic churches displaying a crucifix.  'After all, Jesus isn't on the cross any more, is He?  He rose from the dead.  That's the whole point, isn't it?'&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/RtZEyQIPtdI/AAAAAAAAABY/U8GgS6ZTmSU/s1600-h/Christ+on+the+Cross.Eugene+Delacroix.1845.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/RtZEyQIPtdI/AAAAAAAAABY/U8GgS6ZTmSU/s320/Christ+on+the+Cross.Eugene+Delacroix.1845.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5104342857784735186" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;Now wait just a second.  How does a crucifix -a cross with an image of Christ crucified- deny the resurrection?  A crucifix doesn't deny the resurrection any more than a bare cross denies the crucifixion.  Clearly neither is the case.  So why do some Protestants object to a crucifix, which preaches visually what words often struggle to express about the depth of Christ's love?  I'm at a loss to find a good reason to object to an image of Jesus dying for my sins.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Saint Paul didn't seem to think it inappropriate to point to the historical event of the crucifixion as a central reality of the faith.  In his words,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"&lt;b&gt;we preach Christ crucified&lt;/b&gt;, a stumbling block to Jews and folly to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-1 Corinthians 1:23-24 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul acknowledges that "Christ crucified" is indeed a cause for offense, but &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; among "those who are called", &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; among those willing to accept &lt;i&gt;"the power of God and the wisdom of God"&lt;/i&gt; on God's terms.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;During that same conversation, my friend expressed reservations about the idea that God may use created objects as instruments of transmitting grace.  Take for example, the woman who was healed of a hemorrhage upon touching Jesus' cloak.  Or, those who were healed upon contact with Paul's handkerchief or Peter's shadow.  Or Naaman's healing from leprosy upon bathing in the Jordan -despite his complaints about having to submit to such a ritual (cf. 2 Kings 5). Don't these incidents suggest the participants were swayed by superstition, wrongly attaching spiritual significance to material objects?  Don't such things take our eyes away from God and toward created things?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Come on.  If this is the case then the cross of Christ is a distraction that takes our eyes off Christ, and Christian churches should refuse to display crosses.  But Saint Paul wrote,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"...far be it from me to glory &lt;i&gt;except in the cross&lt;/i&gt; of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Galatians 6:14 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is not wrong to glory "in the cross of our Lord", for God made the cross to be an instrument of our salvation.  Drawing near the cross we draw near Christ,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"...and he who does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Matthew 10:38 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus did not despise the lowliness of His wooden cross, this key instrument of our salvation.  He could have saved us without the cross, but in the wisdom of God even the lowliest and most despised elements of creation take on huge importance in the economy of salvation.  In His desire to unite us to Himself, He not only condescends to man, but teaches man to condescend to receive help through the vessels He has chosen.  This truth reflects the humility and glory of our Savior:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Jesus said to them, "Have you never read in the scriptures: 'The very stone which the builders rejected has become the head of the corner; this was the Lord's doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes'?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div style="text-align: right;"&gt;-Matthew 21:42 RSV&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does Paul confuse Christ with the cross, or attribute the power of God to the cross itself?  Of course not.  But nor does he fail to recognize that God has incorporated into His plan of salvation the material universe which He Himself created.  He has used and continues to use created things as instruments of salvation, conduits of grace, and vessels of honor.  This is what He made them for!  And this is how we should regard them... and use them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, people whose faith was great enough to recognize God's eagerness to involve His own creatures in the salvation of the world overcame any pride or hesitation they may have felt, and reached out for contact with that cloak or handkerchief, that shadow, or that river... and through these things encountered the divine.  And thousands were healed both in spirit and flesh.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-1378931851685134424?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/1378931851685134424/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2007/08/preaching-christ-crucified.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/1378931851685134424'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/1378931851685134424'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2007/08/preaching-christ-crucified.html' title='Preaching Christ crucified'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/RtZEyQIPtdI/AAAAAAAAABY/U8GgS6ZTmSU/s72-c/Christ+on+the+Cross.Eugene+Delacroix.1845.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-3130397117869814501</id><published>2007-03-09T22:39:00.001-06:00</published><updated>2011-10-31T06:59:54.980-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baptism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obedience and good works'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='circumcision'/><title type='text'>Exodus 4: Why God almost killed Moses</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;Exodus 4:24. And when he [Moses] was in his journey, in the inn, the Lord met him, and would have killed him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4:25. Immediately Sephora took a very sharp stone, and circumcised the foreskin of her son, and touched his feet, and said:  A bloody spouse art thou to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4:26. And he let him go after she had said:  A bloody spouse art thou to me, because of the circumcision.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God set out to kill Moses evidently because Moses had neglected to circumcise his son as God had commanded.  Genesis 17 says of males that circumcision grants entry into the old covenant, and failure to be circumcised results in breaking the covenant and being “cut off” from God’s people.  Circumcision was efficacious, and its efficacy was founded upon and guaranteed by God’s Word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the present case God holds Moses, not the son, responsible for ignoring this solemn command.  Perhaps the son was not yet old enough to understand or ask for circumcision.  In any case God’s anger falls upon Moses.  Moses is to blame not for failing to be circumcised, but for failing to bless his son with the visible and efficacious rite commanded by God.  He neglected to mediate to his son the benefits which God promised to those who were circumcised.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moses’ sin of omission is so grave that God is prepared to punish him with death.  Not only has Moses failed to obey God, he has also failed in his responsibility as a father to protect and bless his son: the life and covenantal status of his son hang in the balance.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But why does this incident occur now, on the way to Egypt?  Moses is about to deliver God’s command that Pharoah free the Israelites from their bondage so they may worship the true God.  The life of Pharoah’s son –and ultimately of Pharoah- depends upon his father’s obedience to God’s command.  Yet Moses, God’s messenger, stands convicted by that very message: he has failed to obey God, and failed to liberate his own son –through circumcision- in order that both Moses and his son may be counted among God’s people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Remarkably, God’s anger relents not as a result of Moses repenting of his sin, but upon Sephora’s wise and decisive action in circumcising her son.  She did what Moses had failed to do, and by blood and decree associated Moses with the obedience of her righteous act, as far as she was able.  Sephora’s action is truly remarkable, and evidently was acceptable to God.  In a single moment she supplied what her son vitally needed, rescued her husband from condemnation and death, and placed herself in a position of humble, loving, and profound obedience to God’s will.  If Sephora had not circumcised Moses’ son, Moses would have remained unfit to carry out his mission, and would not even have survived the trip to Egypt.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-3130397117869814501?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/3130397117869814501/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-god-almost-killed-moses.html#comment-form' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3130397117869814501'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3130397117869814501'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2007/03/why-god-almost-killed-moses.html' title='Exodus 4: Why God almost killed Moses'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-2878443287810580565</id><published>2007-02-25T17:03:00.001-06:00</published><updated>2010-06-14T23:03:04.614-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conversion and holiness'/><title type='text'>1 Peter 4: Following Christ means suffering with Christ</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-size: 130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;1 PETER CHAPTER 4&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://bp3.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/ReZhoyU0SgI/AAAAAAAAABA/GXFh906jXiw/s1600-h/eccehomo.jpg" onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}"&gt;&lt;img alt="" border="0" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5036820586592225794" src="http://bp3.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/ReZhoyU0SgI/AAAAAAAAABA/GXFh906jXiw/s320/eccehomo.jpg" style="cursor: pointer; display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center;" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;table&gt;&lt;tbody&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;Revised Standard Version&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;&lt;b&gt;my paraphrase&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;1 Christ therefore having suffered in the flesh, be you also armed with the same thought: for he that hath suffered in the flesh, hath ceased from sins: &lt;br /&gt;2 That now he may live the rest of his time in the flesh , not after the desires of men, but according to the will of God. &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td valign="top"&gt;1 Just as Christ willingly suffered in the flesh, You should expect to imitate His suffering. For he who has willingly endured suffering has turned from sin, &lt;br /&gt;2 so that he may live the rest of his life not according to the will of men, but of God.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;3 For the time past is sufficient to have fulfilled the will of the Gentiles, for them who have walked in riotousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and unlawful worshipping of idols. &lt;br /&gt;4 Wherein they think it strange, that you run not with them into the same confusion of riotousness, speaking evil of you. &lt;br /&gt;5 Who shall render account to him, who is ready to judge the living and the dead. &lt;/td&gt;  &lt;td&gt;3 You have had enough of living according to the will of the Gentiles, of them who have lived wild, drunken lives of impurity and idolatry.  &lt;br /&gt;4 Yet they condemn You, for You no longer live as they do.  &lt;br /&gt;5 But in the end they too must render an account to Him who shall judge both the living and the dead.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to the dead: that they might be judged indeed according to men, in the flesh; but may live according to God, in the Spirit. &lt;br /&gt;7 But the end of all is at hand. Be prudent therefore, and watch in prayers. &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;6 This is why the gospel was preached also to the dead: that they –like all men– may be judged in the flesh according to the gospel: yet by God’s will may attain eternal life in the Spirit.&lt;br /&gt;7 But final judgment is imminent for all.  Be wise, therefore, and remain watchful in prayer.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;8 But before all things have a constant mutual charity among yourselves: for charity covereth a multitude of sins. &lt;br /&gt;9 Using hospitality one towards another, without murmuring, &lt;br /&gt;10 As every man hath received grace, ministering the same one to another: as good stewards of the manifold grace of God. &lt;br /&gt;11 If any man speak, let him speak, as the words of God. If any man minister, let him do it, as of the power, which God administereth: that in all things God may be honoured through Jesus Christ: to whom is glory and empire for ever and ever. Amen. &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;8 First of all, You must love one another, for love repairs a multitude of sins.&lt;br /&gt;9 Be hospitable toward each other, without complaint.&lt;br /&gt;Serve each other as faithful stewards of the abundant grace You have received from God.&lt;br /&gt;10 If any man will speak, let it be according to the words of God.  &lt;br /&gt;11 If any man serve, let him do so according to the power of God: so that in everything God may be honored through Jesus Christ: to Whom belongs all glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td&gt;12 Dearly beloved, think not strange the burning heat which is to try you, as if some new thing happened to you; &lt;br /&gt;13 But if you partake of the sufferings of Christ, rejoice that when his glory shall be revealed, you may also be glad with exceeding joy. &lt;br /&gt;14 If you be reproached for the name of Christ, you shall be blessed: for that which is of the honour, glory, and power of God, and that which is his Spirit, resteth upon you. &lt;br /&gt;15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or a thief, or a railer, or a coveter of other men's things. &lt;br /&gt;16 But if as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in that name. &lt;br /&gt;17 For the time is, that judgment should begin at the house of God. And if first at us, what shall be the end of them that believe not the gospel of God? &lt;br /&gt;18 And if the just man shall scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? &lt;br /&gt;19 Wherefore let them also that suffer according to the will of God, commend their souls in good deeds to the faithful Creator. &lt;/td&gt; &lt;td&gt;12 Beloved, don’t be surprised at the fiery trial which You will undergo, as if this were unexpected.  &lt;br /&gt;13 If You willingly share in the sufferings of Christ, You also will share in great joy when His glory is revealed.&lt;br /&gt;14 If You are reproached for the name of Christ, You will be blessed, because the power and Spirit of God rest upon You.&lt;br /&gt;15 Let Your sufferings be those of Christ, not those of a murderer, thief, or coveter.&lt;br /&gt;16 So do not be ashamed to suffer for being a Christian; rather, glorify God in the name of Christ.&lt;br /&gt;17 For it is fitting that judgment begin within the house of God.  And if we believers are already facing judgment first, what shall be the verdict against those who reject the gospel of God?&lt;br /&gt;18 If the just man shall barely be saved, what lies in store for those who reject God and persist in sin?&lt;br /&gt;19 So, those who willingly accept sufferings from God’s hand, should with good works entrust their souls to their faithful Creator.&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;/tbody&gt;&lt;/table&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-2878443287810580565?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/2878443287810580565/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2007/02/following-christ-requires-suffering.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/2878443287810580565'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/2878443287810580565'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2007/02/following-christ-requires-suffering.html' title='1 Peter 4: Following Christ means suffering with Christ'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp3.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/ReZhoyU0SgI/AAAAAAAAABA/GXFh906jXiw/s72-c/eccehomo.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-3443295446197965433</id><published>2007-02-04T21:18:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T12:43:52.300-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baptism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><title type='text'>1 Peter 3: "Baptism now saves You..."</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;1 PETER CHAPTER 3&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 In like manner also let wives be subject to their husbands: that if any believe not the word, they may be won without the word, by the conversation of the wives.&lt;br /&gt;2 Considering your chaste conversation with fear.&lt;br /&gt;3 Whose adorning let it not be the outward plaiting of the hair, or the wearing of gold, or the putting on of apparel:&lt;br /&gt;4 But the hidden man of the heart in the incorruptibility of a quiet and a meek spirit, which is rich in the sight of God.&lt;br /&gt;5 For after this manner heretofore the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection to their own husbands:&lt;br /&gt;6 As Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters you are, doing well, and not fearing any disturbance.&lt;br /&gt;7 Ye husbands, likewise dwelling with them according to knowledge, giving honour to the female as to the weaker vessel, and as to the co-heirs of the grace of life: that your prayers be not hindered.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp0.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/Rcf7dmFZ6UI/AAAAAAAAAAM/BzavcRHY5y8/s1600-h/ark2.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp0.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/Rcf7dmFZ6UI/AAAAAAAAAAM/BzavcRHY5y8/s320/ark2.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5028263994840443202" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;8 And in fine, be ye all of one mind, having compassion one of another, being lovers of the brotherhood, merciful, modest, humble:&lt;br /&gt;9 Not rendering evil for evil, nor railing for railing, but contrariwise, blessing: for unto this are you called, that you may inherit a blessing.&lt;br /&gt;10 For he that will love life, and see good days, let him refrain his tongue from evil, and his lips that they speak no guile.&lt;br /&gt;11 Let him decline from evil, and do good: let him seek after peace and pursue it:&lt;br /&gt;12 Because the eyes of the Lord are upon the just, and his ears unto their prayers: but the countenance of the Lord upon them that do evil things.&lt;br /&gt;13 And who is he that can hurt you, if you be zealous of good?&lt;br /&gt;14 But if also you suffer any thing for justice' sake, blessed are ye. And be not afraid of their fear, and be not troubled.&lt;br /&gt;15 But sanctify the Lord Christ in your hearts, being ready always to satisfy every one that asketh you a reason of that hope which is in you.&lt;br /&gt;16 But with modesty and fear, having a good conscience: that whereas they speak evil of you, they may be ashamed who falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.&lt;br /&gt;17 For it is better doing well (if such be the will of God) to suffer, than doing ill.&lt;br /&gt;18 Because Christ also died once for our sins, the just for the unjust: that he might offer us to God, being put to death indeed in the flesh, but enlivened in the spirit,&lt;br /&gt;19 In which also coming he preached to those spirits that were in prison:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;20 Which had been some time incredulous, when they waited for the patience of God in the days of Noe, when the ark was a building: wherein a few, that is, eight souls, were saved by water.&lt;br /&gt;21 Whereunto baptism being of the like form, now saveth you also: not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the examination of a good conscience towards God by the resurrection of Jesus Christ. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;22 Who is on the right hand of God, swallowing down death, that we might be made heirs of life everlasting: being gone into heaven, the angels and powers and virtues being made subject to him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When Noah entered the ark, he was saved from the flood as a result of his obedience to God in building and entering the ark.  His family members likewise were saved by following Noah into the ark, although we are not told whether at the time these relatives had faith in God or understood the disaster to come.  In order to be saved from the flood it was sufficient that they merely board the ark and remain there until the water subsided. &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's interesting that Peter does not say that these individuals were "saved from the water", but rather "were saved by water".  His interpretation -the interpretation of the New Testament- is that Noah's passage through the water is a prefigurement of Baptism.  Just as the flood was sent by God to wash away sinners and sin, and the only sinners spared were those who submitted to God's plan of passage through the water, so in Baptism the water washes away sin and the baptized begin a new life.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bp1.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/Rcf7x2FZ6VI/AAAAAAAAAAU/eTMShQh-TWI/s1600-h/ark5.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: left; cursor: pointer;" src="http://bp1.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/Rcf7x2FZ6VI/AAAAAAAAAAU/eTMShQh-TWI/s320/ark5.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5028264342732794194" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In neither case -Noah's ark, or Baptism by water- does the water play a magical role.    In both they are instruments used by God to transform the world and individuals, to end sinful lives of darkness and begin new lives as children of God.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;It wasn't Noah's building of the ark that saved him.  Rather, he was saved by God's fulfilling a promise in response to Noah's obedience: an uneven exchange in which a man offered simple obedience and in return received salvation from the flood for himself and his family. &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Similarly, it isn't either water or the action of any human person which accomplishes the salvation that Peter attributes to Baptism.  Rather, this salvation is granted through God's superabundant fulfillment of a promise in response to our obedience in submitting to His command to be baptized.  Saint John Chrysostom (349-407, Bishop of Constantinople), said, "God does not need our work, but He does need our obedience." &lt;i&gt;(Homilies on St. Matthew's Gospel, 56)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;p&gt;Note that circumcision and Baptism both require a visible human work.  But the resulting profound change in one's spiritual status -entry into the old covenant, and entry into the new covenant, respectively- results from God's simultaneous action, performed in fulfillment of His divine promises. &lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore Scripture teaches that the efficacy of Baptism rests on the bedrock of God's new covenant with man, just as the efficacy of circumcision rested on the old covenant.  &lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Peter's teaching stands against any attempt to dilute the significance and power of Baptism.  He does not say that Baptism is a 'figure' of Noah's ark, but the opposite:  Noah's ark is an 'antitype' ('anti-tupon' in Greek) of Baptism. That is, the stupendous event of Noah's ark and the flood points to something even greater and more important.  God's ultimate intention is not just the preservation of natural life in a world tainted by sin.  Through Baptism God performs a far greater miracle: He actually washes away sin; He actually regenerates man from death to a new and eternal life; He grafts man into Christ; He does for man precisely what He desired to do ever since before the beginning of time: to make man a new creation and a true son of God.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;p&gt;Therefore Peter says "baptism now saves You".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/p&gt;_________&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-size:130%;"&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;What happens when we are Baptized?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;"&gt;-what does Scripture explicitly teach?&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;We are saved:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit." Titus 3:5 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 3:19-21 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;We put on Christ:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." Galatians 3:27 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;We are incorporated into Christ's Body:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body -Jews or Greeks, slaves or free..." 1 Corinthians 12:13 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;We drink of the one Spirit:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"...and all were made to drink of one Spirit." 1 Corinthians 12:13 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;We are united with Christ's death and burial, and we are raised with Him:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?" Romans 6:3 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life" Romans 6:4 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of flesh in the circumcision of Christ; and you were buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. And you, who were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses" Colossians 2:11-13 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;We are washed and regenerated:&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit." Titus 3:5 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word," Ephesians 5:25-26 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-weight: bold;"&gt;Our hearts are cleansed from an "evil conscience":&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water." Hebrews 10:22 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ." 1 Peter 3:19-21 RSV&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-3443295446197965433?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/3443295446197965433/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2007/02/baptism-now-saves-you.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3443295446197965433'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/3443295446197965433'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2007/02/baptism-now-saves-you.html' title='1 Peter 3: &quot;Baptism now saves You...&quot;'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><media:thumbnail xmlns:media='http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/' url='http://bp0.blogger.com/_yfyOhb53Sv0/Rcf7dmFZ6UI/AAAAAAAAAAM/BzavcRHY5y8/s72-c/ark2.jpg' height='72' width='72'/><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-114584215476084601</id><published>2006-04-23T20:29:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T09:08:45.671-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mary the Mother of God'/><title type='text'>Matthew 1: "...he had no union with her until she gave birth..."</title><content type='html'>M,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I really enjoyed our recent discussion of Luke chapter 1.  One passage You raised in connection with Luke’s account of the birth of Jesus was something from Matthew’s Gospel: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus". (Matthew 1:25) &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You explained that this passage proves or at least implies that Joseph and Mary had marital relations after Mary gave birth to Jesus.  Certainly some Christians hold this interpretation, but is it really supported by Scripture?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Tableau.FlightToEgypt.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/400/Tableau.FlightToEgypt.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;In fact, the passage "only says what it actually says": that up to the time of Jesus' birth there were no marital relations between Mary and Joseph.  Matthew is defending the reality of the virgin birth, and here he is trying to demonstrate that the conception of Jesus was brought about by God, not Joseph.  Therefore the passage relates to the time leading up to the birth of Jesus.  It doesn't actually say or imply anything about what might have happened later.  Using this passage to argue that Mary and Joseph subsequently had marital relations simply isn’t justified by Matthew’s statement.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The word translated &lt;b&gt;"until"&lt;/b&gt; in Matthew 1:25 comes from the Greek word, "hou".  This word is used in a similar manner in a number of other New Testament (and Greek Septuagint Old Testament) passages, along the lines that "'X' happened (or didn’t happen) &lt;b&gt;until&lt;/b&gt; 'Y'".  (Occasionally "hou" is translated as &lt;b&gt;"unto"&lt;/b&gt; or &lt;b&gt;"till"&lt;/b&gt;.)  Sometimes the implication is that once 'Y' occurred, 'X' changed.  In other passages, once 'Y' occurs 'X' clearly does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; change.  Sometimes the context suggests what happens subsequently, but other times it does not.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You asked me for an example of a passage where 'X' clearly does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; change once 'Y' occurs; here are several relevant examples:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child &lt;b&gt;unto&lt;/b&gt; the day of her death." (2 Samuel 6:23 KJV)&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...Does this imply that Michal had children after the day of her death?  Of course not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"The LORD says to my lord: 'Sit at my right hand, &lt;b&gt;till&lt;/b&gt; I make your enemies your footstool.'" (Psalm 110:1 RSV)&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...Does this mean that once Jesus' enemies are subdued He shall no longer sit at the Father’s right hand?  Certainly not.  &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"For he must reign &lt;b&gt;until&lt;/b&gt; he has put all his enemies under his feet." (1 Corinthians 15:25 RSV)&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...Shall the reign of Christ end once His enemies are vanquished?  No way.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"But when Paul had appealed to be kept in custody for the decision of the emperor, I commanded him to be held &lt;b&gt;until&lt;/b&gt; I could send him to Caesar." (Acts 25:21 RSV)&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...Does this imply that Paul would be released once he was sent to Caesar?  Not at all.  Paul's release would depend upon Caesar's verdict.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;[The Son of God says,] "But to the rest of you in Thyati'ra, who do not hold this teaching, who have not learned what some call the deep things of Satan, to you I say, I do not lay upon you any other burden; only hold fast what you have, &lt;b&gt;until&lt;/b&gt; I come." (Revelation 2:24-25 RSV).&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...Once Jesus comes are the believers of Thyatira no longer to hold fast to what they believe?  Of course not.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point of highlighting these verses is to demonstrate that when the Bible says "Condition 'X' exists &lt;b&gt;until&lt;/b&gt; event 'Y'", it doesn't necessarily mean that Condition 'X' changes after 'Y'.  We have proved this by identifying several scriptural passages where 'X' clearly does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; change after 'Y'.&lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Catholics and many Protestants differ on whether Mary bore natural children after the birth of Jesus.  But it should be clear by now that Matthew 1:25 offers nothing to support the theory that Mary and Joseph ever had marital relations.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-114584215476084601?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/114584215476084601/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2006/04/he-had-no-union-with-her-until-she.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/114584215476084601'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/114584215476084601'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2006/04/he-had-no-union-with-her-until-she.html' title='Matthew 1: &quot;...he had no union with her until she gave birth...&quot;'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-113461711156297799</id><published>2005-12-14T21:21:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T08:52:19.293-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prayer'/><title type='text'>Do our prayers do anything?</title><content type='html'>I was amazed at a recent discussion about prayer, in our Bible study.  Here's a boiled-down version of the conversation:&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;J: If I pray secretly for 'Fred', can those prayers help him?&lt;br /&gt;Z: Yes.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;J: So, if I pray for Fred, God blesses him through my prayers?&lt;br /&gt;Z: Sure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;J: Then, if I refuse to pray for Fred, he doesn't get those blessings, right?&lt;br /&gt;Z: Wrong.  God can still bless him without Your prayers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;J: Of course God can still bless him.  God can bless Fred in lots of ways, through different instruments.&lt;br /&gt;Z: Exactly.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;J: But I thought You just said that Fred actually does benefit as a result of my prayers.&lt;br /&gt;Z: He does.  But God can bless Fred without waiting for Your prayers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;J: Either our prayers bring about blessings from God or they don't.  Scripture says that our prayers are effective.  They actually bring about good.  If I refuse to pray, I'm refusing to let God bless Fred through my prayers.  I'm preventing God from blessing Fred through one of the instruments that God specifically wants to use for Fred's blessing.&lt;br /&gt;Z: You can't block God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;J: Yes I can.  And I do, whenever I sin.  Sin prevents God's will from being carried out in my life, and this can and does hurt others too.  If I refuse to pray for Fred, I'm blocking one channel of God's grace into Fred's life.  I'm not preventing God from blessing Fred in other ways, but I am preventing Him from blessing Fred in one important way: through me.&lt;br /&gt;Z: But God doesn't need Your prayers.  He can bless even if nobody prays.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;J: You're going in circles.  You can't have it both ways, Z.  Scripture says prayer is powerful and effective.  Consequently, a lack of prayer causes a lack of some good and truly important effect that God desires to accomplish.  If You say that my refusal to pray has no affect on Fred, then You can't claim that my prayers can do him any good.  If You take that position, Your view of prayer is at odds with Scripture.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-113461711156297799?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/113461711156297799/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/12/do-our-prayers-do-anything.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/113461711156297799'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/113461711156297799'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/12/do-our-prayers-do-anything.html' title='Do our prayers do anything?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-113228872986871578</id><published>2005-11-17T22:38:00.000-06:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T08:49:52.608-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>1 Corinthians 14: May women speak in church?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;1 Corinthians Chapter 14 (RSV)&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;14:33. For God is not the God of dissension, but of peace:  as also I teach in all the churches of the saints.&lt;br /&gt;14:34. Let women keep silence in the churches:  for it is not permitted them to speak but to be subject, as also the law saith.&lt;br /&gt;14:35. But if they would learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home.  For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.&lt;br /&gt;14:36. Or did the word of God come out from you?  Or came it only unto you?&lt;br /&gt;14:37. If any seem to be a prophet or spiritual, let him know the things that I write to you, that they are the commandments of the Lord.&lt;br /&gt;14:38. But if any man know not, he shall not be known.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do You follow Paul’s decree in Your church?  Does Your church hold that it is “shameful” for women to speak in church and therefore they must “keep silence” there, learning by questioning their husbands at home?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don’t tell me this passage is difficult, because Paul is clear and straightforward in his writing.  Some passages of Scripture are couched in mysterious language, but this certainly isn’t one of them.  If we have difficulty with this passage it’s not because we don’t understand it, but rather because we do understand.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So if this passage is abundantly clear in its teaching that women must “keep silence” in church, why do we spend any time now debating the matter as if it were not settled in Scripture?  The reason is that we are not accustomed to following Paul’s decree.  For most of us our experience of church has been free from any such restriction upon women.  Many of us perhaps have never even heard this matter discussed.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Upon finding this passage in our Bible reading maybe we continued on without seriously considering the possibility that our churches are in grave disobedience toward an apostolic instruction.  And if we realized that Paul’s rule is contradicted or cancelled nowhere in Scripture, this too raised no serious concern.  The rule was so foreign to our culture and church experience that it obviously must mean something other than its self-evident meaning, or at least is no longer binding upon the church today.  Everyone apparently knew this, because nobody bothered to discuss it.  This mindset was transmitted to us not from the pulpit, but non-verbally, as if by silent osmosis.  But is this a scripturally sound position for us to adopt?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I put the question to my Protestant friends: Is it a biblical principle that our interpretation and acceptance of a solemn command of Scripture should depend upon the interpretations and traditions we have received from our church?  Doesn’t the principle of sola scriptura (“Scripture alone is our rule of faith”) insist that we reject “traditions of men” that appear to us contrary to Scripture?  Yet most Protestants and Catholics permit women to speak in church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For Catholics this is not a problem, for we can simply answer, “Yes, it definitely is a biblical teaching that the authentic interpretation of the message of Christ is revealed through the Scriptures AND the preaching of the apostles AND their legitimate successors.  And their successors for centuries have not continued to require women to keep silent in church.”  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a Bible-believing Christian I firmly believe that Jesus keeps His promise to preserve His Church from falling into error concerning the “commandments of the Lord”.  It’s clear to me that the principal way in which He does this -“the Bible way”- is through the action of the Holy Spirit, Who preserves correct interpretation of God’s Word through the teachings of the apostles and those who have received the apostolic imposition of hands and remain united to the bishop of Rome, the successor of Peter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But if one rejects this Catholic view and yet insists that women may speak in church… I just can’t imagine how one can defend that from Scripture.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-113228872986871578?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/113228872986871578/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/11/1-corinthians-14-may-women-speak-in.html#comment-form' title='5 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/113228872986871578'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/113228872986871578'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/11/1-corinthians-14-may-women-speak-in.html' title='1 Corinthians 14: May women speak in church?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>5</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112960400911539261</id><published>2005-10-17T21:51:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T12:43:52.300-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Eucharist'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><title type='text'>1 Corinthians 10: A Communion with the Blood of Christ</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;1 Corinthians Chapter 10 (RSV)&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 1 I want you to know, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea, 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 and all ate the same supernatural food 4 and all drank the same supernatural drink. For they drank from the supernatural Rock which followed them, and the Rock was Christ. 5 Nevertheless with most of them God was not pleased; for they were overthrown in the wilderness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;6 Now these things are warnings for us, not to desire evil as they did. 7 Do not be idolaters as some of them were; as it is written, "The people sat down to eat and drink and rose up to dance." 8 We must not indulge in immorality as some of them did, and twenty-three thousand fell in a single day. 9 We must not put the Lord to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor grumble, as some of them did and were destroyed by the Destroyer. 11 Now these things happened to them as a warning, but they were written down for our instruction, upon whom the end of the ages has come. 12 Therefore let any one who thinks that he stands take heed lest he fall. 13 No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your strength, but with the temptation will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it. 14 Therefore, my beloved, shun the worship of idols.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;15 I speak as to sensible men; judge for yourselves what I say. 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ? &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Last%20Supper.Leonardo%20daVinci.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/400/Last%20Supper.Leonardo%20daVinci.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread. 18 Consider the people of Israel; are not those who eat the sacrifices partners in the altar? 19 What do I imply then? That food offered to idols is anything, or that an idol is anything? 20 No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons. 21 You cannot drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You cannot partake of the table of the Lord and the table of demons. 22 Shall we provoke the Lord to jealousy? Are we stronger than he?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;23 "All things are lawful," but not all things are helpful. "All things are lawful," but not all things build up. 24 Let no one seek his own good, but the good of his neighbor. 25 Eat whatever is sold in the meat market without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 26 For "the earth is the Lord's, and everything in it." 27 If one of the unbelievers invites you to dinner and you are disposed to go, eat whatever is set before you without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 28 (But if some one says to you, "This has been offered in sacrifice," then out of consideration for the man who informed you, and for conscience' sake-- 29 I mean his conscience, not yours--do not eat it.) For why should my liberty be determined by another man's scruples? 30 If I partake with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks? 31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God, 33 just as I try to please all men in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Supper%20at%20Emmaus.Caravaggio.1601.National%20Gallery%2C%20London.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:center; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/400/Supper%20at%20Emmaus.Caravaggio.1601.National%20Gallery%2C%20London.jpg" border="0" title="Supper at Emmaus. Caravaggio, 1601.  National Gallery, London." /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"Perceivest thou the wisdom of Paul, how in both cases he points out Him as the Giver, and thereby brings the Type nigh to the Truth? 'For He who set those things before them,' saith he, 'the same also hath prepared this our Table: and the same Person both brought them through the sea and thee through Baptism; and before them set manna, but before thee His Body and Blood.'"&lt;p align="right"&gt;Saint John Chrysostom, Bishop of Constantinople (A.D. 347-407)&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Homily XXIII on First Corinthians&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF1-12/TOC.htm"&gt;http://www.ccel.org/fathers2/NPNF1-12/TOC.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Supper%20at%20Emmaus2.Caravaggio.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/200/Supper%20at%20Emmaus2.Caravaggio.jpg" border="0" title="Supper at Emmaus. Caravaggio." /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"In very truth it is a marvellous thing that God rained manna on the fathers, and fed them with daily food from heaven; so that it is said, "So man did eat angels' food." But yet all those who ate that food died in the wilderness, but that food which you receive, that living Bread which came down from heaven, furnishes the substance of eternal life; and whosoever shall eat of this Bread shall never die, and it is the Body of Christ."&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Now consider whether the bread of angels be more excellent or the Flesh of Christ, which is indeed the body of life. That manna came from heaven, this is above the heavens; that was of heaven, this is of the Lord of the heavens; that was liable to corruption, if kept a second day, this is far from all corruption, for whosoever shall taste it wholly shall not be able to feel corruption. For them water flowed from the rock, for you Blood flowed from Christ; water satisfied them for a time, the Blood satiates you for eternity. The Jew drinks and thirsts again, you after drinking will be beyond the power of thirsting; that was in a shadow, this is in truth."&lt;p&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"If that which you so wonder at is but shadow, how great must that be whose very shadow you wonder at. See now what happened in the case of the fathers was shadow: "They drank, it is said, of that Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. But with many of them God was not well pleased, for they were overthrown in the wilderness. Now these things were done in a figure concerning us." You recognize now which are the more excellent, for light is better than shadow, truth than a figure, the Body of its Giver than the manna from heaven. "&lt;p align="right"&gt;Saint Ambrose, Bishop of Milan (A.D. ~387)&lt;br&gt;&lt;i&gt;Treatise on the Mysteries, 47-49&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3405.htm"&gt;http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/3405.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112960400911539261?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112960400911539261/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/10/1-corinthians-10-communion-with-blood.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112960400911539261'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112960400911539261'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/10/1-corinthians-10-communion-with-blood.html' title='1 Corinthians 10: A Communion with the Blood of Christ'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112718710231313565</id><published>2005-09-19T23:57:00.001-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T14:35:23.442-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Eucharist'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='the Cross of Jesus'/><title type='text'>John 3:15: A serpent, a Savior, a sacrament</title><content type='html'>&lt;blockquote&gt;4 From Mount Hor they set out by the way to the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the people became impatient on the way. 5 And the people spoke against God and against Moses, "Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and we loathe this worthless food." 6 Then the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, so that many people of Israel died. 7 And the people came to Moses, and said, "We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD and against you; pray to the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us." So Moses prayed for the people. 8 And the LORD said to Moses, "Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live." 9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="right"&gt;Numbers 21:4-9&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life." 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="right"&gt;John 3:14-16&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;After the people’s miraculous exodus from bondage in Egypt, their joy to turned to bitterness in the wilderness. &lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/moses_brass-serpent1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/320/moses_brass-serpent1.jpg" border="0" alt="" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;They complained against God and Moses and blasphemed God’s gift, the bread from heaven.  They suffered snakebites in punishment for their sins.  The snakebites caused great pain, in many cases followed by death.  This great suffering brought many of them to acknowledge their sin to Moses and ask his intercessory prayer that the serpents be removed.  Now, God certainly could have simply removed the serpents and healed the people on the basis of their interior repentance.  Instead, He provided through Moses a peculiar ritual, in which those who participated could “live”.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What can we say about this ritual?  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;It required a specific action on the part of the minister: Moses had to place a “fiery serpent” on a pole and make it accessible to the people. &lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The ritual bore a divine promise: God said that “every one who is bitten” would survive upon seeing the serpent.  &lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;It required a specific action on the part of the one desiring healing: he must look upon the serpent.  In this, each person hoping to be healed needed to acknowledge his sins by gazing upon the representation of the consequence of their sins, the wages of which is death.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;It was effective.  The passage specifically tells us that people indeed were saved from death by obediently performing the outward action demanded by the rite.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;It did not require perfect interior repentance.  The outward action perhaps depended on at least some sort of repentance, but the 'bar' was set low, so to speak.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;The snakes themselves, as well as the painful bites they caused, were not taken away. The people still had to suffer from painful but temporary consequences of their sins.  Yet God, through the ritual, cancelled the fatal outcome of their punishment.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Healing was on God's terms, not the people's.  They wanted their suffering taken away.  Instead, God gave them life.  They wanted their wishes granted simply by their request to Moses.  Instead, God required a specific action that would require and manifest obedience on the part of the sinner.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus, in the Gospel of John, relates this reality to Himself.  In fact, the incident in the desert foreshadows the crucifixion of our Savior.  The serpents were not sin, but they were sent by God because of sin, and to chastise, and to urge sinners to repentance.  Jesus was not sin, but He was sent by His Father because of sin, and to call sinners to repentance.  The serpents and their icon on the pole together brought conviction of sin and a means of rescue from its fatal consequence: natural death.  The crucified Lord brought knowledge of sin and a means of rescue from its eternal spiritual consequence: eternal death.&lt;/small&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;21 For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="right"&gt;2 Corinthians 5:21&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;large&gt;Bible Q&amp;A:  According to the Bible account…&lt;/large&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Who was healed… everyone who repented, or everyone who looked at the serpent? &lt;br&gt;–Those who looked at the serpent.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Did anyone survive who did not look at the serpent?&lt;br&gt;-We aren’t told.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The serpent on the pole prefigures the sacraments of the New Covenant, particularly Baptism.  In Baptism, God has prescribed a simple ritual which He requires man to perform in order to obtain a supernatural promise: forgiveness of sins and a share in the very life of God.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;38 And Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="right"&gt;Acts 2:38-39&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;Again God 'sets the bar low' in order to make His grace and salvation accessible to everyone, including us many who have difficulty repenting perfectly of our sins.  God helps us to understand just how unmerited His forgiveness is, by attaching it as a divine promise to the simple human act of washing, but washing that is always received, never done for oneself.  People desiring Baptism do not and can not baptize themselves.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The outward act of Baptism is so simple, so commonplace... yet so illustrative of the great supernatural reality taking place: the Spirit hovers over the water; water flows from the side of the Savior; &lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Crucifixion.Pierre-Paul%20Prud%27hon.1822.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/400/Crucifixion.Pierre-Paul%20Prud%27hon.1822.jpg" border="0" title="Pierre-Paul Prud'hon, Crucifixion, 1822. Oil on canvas, 278 x 166 cm.&lt;br /&gt;Musée du Louvre, Paris"/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;God says "Let there be Light"... and the Light of Christ dawns upon the first day of a new creation more glorious than God's creation of the universe.  All we need do is cooperate to the extent that God's grace has enabled our feeble will.  If all we can do is set our eyes upon the cross, if all that time permits is the brief expression of faith of the thief on a cross, then God can save.  But let us not put ourselves and our children in the category of those Israelites who did not gaze upon the serpent on the pole either out of pride, negligence, or disbelief.  We can not safely presume they were saved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Bible plan -God's plan- is for us to preach and follow the sure and level path that God has provided, which begins with Baptism to ignite the lamp of our soul and set our course toward heaven.  In this washing we are assured to receive the promise of eternal life through the waters of Baptism, to gaze upon our Savior through the lifegiving water flowing from His side: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;he saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="right"&gt;Titus 3:5&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;17 The Spirit and the Bride say, "Come." And let him who hears say, "Come." And let him who is thirsty come, let him who desires take the water of life without price.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="right"&gt;Revelation 22:17&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112718710231313565?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112718710231313565/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/john-315-serpent-savior-sacrament.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112718710231313565'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112718710231313565'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/john-315-serpent-savior-sacrament.html' title='John 3:15: A serpent, a Savior, a sacrament'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112602620470742205</id><published>2005-09-10T23:38:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T12:43:52.301-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Eucharist'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><title type='text'>1 Corinthians 5: Let us celebrate the festival</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;1 Corinthians Chapter 5 (RSV)&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 1 It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and of a kind that is not found even among pagans; for a man is living with his father's wife. 2 And you are arrogant! Ought you not rather to mourn? Let him who has done this be removed from among you. 3 For though absent in body I am present in spirit, and as if present, I have already pronounced judgment 4 in the name of the Lord Jesus on the man who has done such a thing. When you are assembled, and my spirit is present, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5 you are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Excommunication%20of%20Robert%20the%20Pious1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/400/Excommunication%20of%20Robert%20the%20Pious1.jpg" border="0" title="The Excommunication of Robert the Pious.  Jean-Paul Laurens, 1875. Musee d'Orsay, Paris." /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;One who scandalously lives an immoral life should be expelled from the assembly for his own good and the good of the Church. Sometimes excommunication is a necessary medicine, for by it the sinner may be brought to his senses and realize his spiritual danger. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Excommunication is a warning and a foreshadowing of the dire eternal consequences that certainly will follow if one persists unrepentant in grave sin. In this particular case Paul pronounces his binding judgment "in the name of the Lord Jesus", and imparts his authority to the church at Corinth with the command to expel the manifest sinner. Here we see a concrete exercise of apostolic authority in a disciplinary matter.  Without this authority, exercised by those who legitimately bear it, the Church would be powerless to impose this serious remedy.  &lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump? 7 Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed. 8 Let us, therefore, celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.&lt;p align="right"&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Unleavened bread, the paschal lamb, "the festival"... these all are references to the Passover feast.  Paul speaks not of the Old Covenant festival in which many lambs are sacrificed and consumed, but rather of the New Covenant festival foreshadowed by the old.  In this new festival, the Eucharist, believers are united to the Paschal Lamb, Christ, and to His once-for-all sacrifice that transcends time.  We partake of the flesh of the Paschal Lamb and drink the precious Blood He shed for us, and thereby share in His eternal life.  This side of Heaven there can not be a more perfect union with Jesus than this: to receive Him -His Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity- within our souls and within our bodies; and both body and soul receive the foretaste and pledge of eternal life whose roots are sunk unshakeably deep in the rock that is Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul draws an analogy between the bread of this feast and the Corinthians themselves, in order to illustrate a lesson.  In preparation for a feast of such intimate union with God the bread must be prepared from dough unpolluted by the leaven of boasting or immorality.  The Corinthians themselves are referred to not merely as preparing or partaking of the bread, but as actually &lt;i&gt;being&lt;/i&gt; that bread.  If they are to "celebrate the festival" without demeaning or contradicting its meaning, they themselves must be free from the leaven that can spoil the whole loaf of bread.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Eucharist%20in%20Fruit%20Wreath.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/320/Eucharist%20in%20Fruit%20Wreath.jpg" border="0" title="HEEM, Jan Davidsz. Eucharist in Fruit Wreath, 1648. Oil on canvas, 138 x 125 cm. Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is it so important that the bread -both the actual bread consumed in the festival and the figurative "bread" composed of believers- be unleavened?  In chapter 11 Paul writes: &lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread, 24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, "This is my body which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. 27 Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a man examine himself, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For any one who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment upon himself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;p align="right"&gt;1 Corinthians 11:23-29&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;The New Covenant festival of which Paul speaks is the Eucharist, in which Christians distinguish by faith and receive the Body and Blood of the Lord Jesus, and are united with Him.  This not a merely symbolic union, but a profound encounter between Jesus and the children of God.  Therefore Jesus, Who is the sacrificial Lamb of the New Covenant and the Bread of Life, is united with His bride the Church, which is to be a pure and unleavened loaf set apart by God for Himself.  We must not dare to attempt Eucharistic union with Jesus without first renouncing sin and asking to be made capable of such union.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;hr&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with immoral men; 10 not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But rather I wrote to you not to associate with any one who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber--not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. "Drive out the wicked person from among you."&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;small&gt;In chapter 4 we were warned not to pass judgement on others.  Here we are told not to hang around with "immoral men".  Doesn't this imply we have to judge which men are immoral?  Is Paul inconsistent?  I don't think so.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that in chapter 4 the main points about judgement are these: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;ul&gt;&lt;li&gt;Don't presume to pass final judgement; God will judge finally.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;li&gt;Don't make Your acceptance of the authority of Your spiritual fathers -the apostles and those appointed by their authority- depend upon Your judgement of their holiness.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ul&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the other hand, in chapter 5 Paul insists that a fellow believer who is living an openly immoral life should be avoided.  To me it seems that this caution applies equally to our spiritual fathers as well as other fellow believers.  That is, if an apostolic successor -a validly ordained bishop of the Catholic Church- is living a manifestly scandalous life then I would do well to avoid him.  However, I would not do well to deny the authority he has been given, or to hold him or his brother bishops in contempt.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus picked sinners to be apostles, and he has picked sinners ever since then to carry out their apostolic ministry.  We are commanded by Paul to accept those sent to us -like them or not- and only in cases of manifest immorality may we have justification to pass temporary censure against other believers, especially those sent to us by the apostles to teach and guide us.&lt;/small&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112602620470742205?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112602620470742205/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/1-corinthians-5-let-us-celebrate.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112602620470742205'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112602620470742205'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/1-corinthians-5-let-us-celebrate.html' title='1 Corinthians 5: Let us celebrate the festival'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112572451843392869</id><published>2005-09-03T00:12:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T08:49:52.608-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>Paul to Proteus...</title><content type='html'>We have received word that Paul does not intend to dignify Proteus' letter with a written response, but will "correct" his "son" upon his next visit.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112572451843392869?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112572451843392869/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/paul-to-proteus.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112572451843392869'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112572451843392869'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/paul-to-proteus.html' title='Paul to Proteus...'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112572380307959074</id><published>2005-09-02T23:47:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T08:49:52.609-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>Shall we listen to Paul or Apollos?</title><content type='html'>Proteus, a son of Abraham, a citizen of Corinth, and follower of the Christ Jesus preached by Apollos, to Paulus a brother and fellow believer.  Greetings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Are we then to accept the teachings of every man who preaches Christ, even though his words and actions depart from what God has revealed through our fathers the patriarchs?  It is said that You reject circumcision, which Moses gave us as an everlasting covenant.  Do you make the children of Abraham equal to pagans?  Apollos has preached here in our city on many sabbaths, and has not given us this teaching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is further said that you have been expelled from synagogues in many cities and have received the indignation of holy men.  How are we to know whether you are sent by God or Beelzebul?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why should we listen to You?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112572380307959074?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112572380307959074/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/shall-we-listen-to-paul-or-apollos.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112572380307959074'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112572380307959074'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/shall-we-listen-to-paul-or-apollos.html' title='Shall we listen to Paul or Apollos?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112571645631095117</id><published>2005-09-02T23:36:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T09:10:06.126-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>1 Corinthians 4: Call this man "Father".</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Jesus%2C%20Peter%2C%20Keys.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="margin: 0pt 10px 10px 0pt; float: center; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/400/Jesus%2C%20Peter%2C%20Keys.jpg" title="Sanzio Raffaello, The Handing-over the Keys, 1515. Tempera on paper, mounted on canvas, 345 x 535 cm Victoria and Albert Museum, London" border="0" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;1 Corinthians Chapter 4 (RSV)&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 This is how one should regard us, as servants of Christ and stewards of the mysteries of God. 2 Moreover it is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy. 3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. I do not even judge myself. 4 I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then every man will receive his commendation from God. 6 I have applied all this to myself and Apol'los for your benefit, brethren, that you may learn by us not to go beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up in favor of one against another.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;7 For who sees anything different in you? What have you that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if it were not a gift? 8 Already you are filled! Already you have become rich! Without us you have become kings! And would that you did reign, so that we might share the rule with you! 9 For I think that God has exhibited us apostles as last of all, like men sentenced to death; because we have become a spectacle to the world, to angels and to men. 10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. You are held in honor, but we in disrepute. 11 To the present hour we hunger and thirst, we are ill-clad and buffeted and homeless, 12 and we labor, working with our own hands. When reviled, we bless; when persecuted, we endure; 13 when slandered, we try to conciliate; we have become, and are now, as the refuse of the world, the offscouring of all things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;14 I do not write this to make you ashamed, but to admonish you as my beloved children. 15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. 16 I urge you, then, be imitators of me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;17 Therefore I sent to you Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach them everywhere in every church. 18 Some are arrogant, as though I were not coming to you. 19 But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I will find out not the talk of these arrogant people but their power. 20 For the kingdom of God does not consist in talk but in power. 21 What do you wish? Shall I come to you with a rod, or with love in a spirit of gentleness?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My paraphrase:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;How should You regard us apostles?  We are no more than servants of the servants of God, faithful stewards dispensing the mysteries that God has entrusted to us for the good of His children.  Like any servants, we are required by our Master to be faithful.  Yet whether I am faithful in Your eyes or the judgement of any human court does not matter to me; not even my own judgement about myself matters.  I am not aware of anything against me, but that doesn't prove me blameless.  It is the Lord -not You or I- who finally will judge me.  Therefore do not presume to pass judgement on the Lord's appointed stewards before He comes in judgement.  He is the One Who will uncover the secrets of men's hearts and bring to light what is hidden.  Then every man will receive his recompense.  I have applied all this to myself and Apollos so that You would understand not to set us, Your teachers, against each other through vain alliegances and prideful divisions, nor should You presume to pass judgement on us.  God has appointed us Your teachers, and it is for You to receive us in faithfulness and love, just as we have obediently received the Lord's command.  Do not subject us to the scales of human judgement.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For are You any different than us?  What good, what holiness do You have that You did not receive from God?  If it has all been a gift, why are You proud?  So quickly You have become wiser than Your teachers!  Already you presume to judge us!  Without us You have become kings!  How I wish You truly would live as spiritual kings, so that we could reign with You!  But God is showing the world through us His apostles the example that You should have followed:  we are weak -but You triumph in strength;  we are despised -yet You revel in honors.  Even now we lack food, drink, clothing, shelter, or home.  We toil with our own hands.  We bless when cursed.  We persevere in suffering.  We seek peace with those who slander us.  We are despised as the scum of the earth.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/st_peter.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/200/st_peter.jpg" border="0" title="St. Peter, bust" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don't write this to shame You, but to warn You as my beloved children.  Even if You think You have countless "guides" in Christ, You do not have many fathers.  For I -not they- became Your father in Christ Jesus through the Lord's revelation, and You should follow my teaching and example.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Therefore, I Your father have sent You Timothy, my beloved and faithful child in the Lord, to represent me to You in Christ.  He will teach You with the authority by which I myself teach the churches everywhere.  But some do not submit to my authority, perhaps thinking I shall not come to You.  But I shall come, if the Lord wills, and I will not be swayed by vain arguments but shall test the true "power" of these arrogant people.  For the kingdom of God is not talk but power.  Which do You prefer?  Must I punish my children, or shall I visit You in gentleness?&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112571645631095117?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112571645631095117/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/1-corinthians-4-call-this-man-father.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112571645631095117'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112571645631095117'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/09/1-corinthians-4-call-this-man-father.html' title='1 Corinthians 4: Call this man &quot;Father&quot;.'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112502576752804982</id><published>2005-08-25T22:08:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T09:06:52.024-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='conversion and holiness'/><title type='text'>1 Corinthians 3: Saved -but only as through fire.</title><content type='html'>&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Christ%20in%20glory.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/400/Christ%20in%20glory.jpg" border="0" alt="Christ in Majesty, mosaic, Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, Washington, D.C." /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;1 Corinthians Chapter 3 (RSV)&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; 1 But I, brethren, could not address you as spiritual men, but as men of the flesh, as babes in Christ. 2 I fed you with milk, not solid food; for you were not ready for it; and even yet you are not ready, 3 for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh, and behaving like ordinary men? 4 For when one says, "I belong to Paul," and another, "I belong to Apol'los," are you not merely men?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5 What then is Apol'los? What is Paul? Servants through whom you believed, as the Lord assigned to each. 6 I planted, Apol'los watered, but God gave the growth. 7 So neither he who plants nor he who waters is anything, but only God who gives the growth. 8 He who plants and he who waters are equal, and each shall receive his wages according to his labor. 9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field, God's building. 10 According to the grace of God given to me, like a skilled master builder I laid a foundation, and another man is building upon it. Let each man take care how he builds upon it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;11 For no other foundation can any one lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any one builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw-- 13 each man's work will become manifest; for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. 14 If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. 15 If any man's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;16 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? 17 If any one destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy, and that temple you are.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;18 Let no one deceive himself. If any one among you thinks that he is wise in this age, let him become a fool that he may become wise. 19 For the wisdom of this world is folly with God. For it is written, "He catches the wise in their craftiness," 20 and again, "The Lord knows that the thoughts of the wise are futile."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;21 So let no one boast of men. For all things are yours, 22 whether Paul or Apol'los or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future, all are yours; 23 and you are Christ's; and Christ is God's.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul again with humility affirms his position as a servant of God, but one having the authority to teach definitively.  He warns against building upon any foundation but that which he and the other apostles have laid by the grace of God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He addresses Christians and reminds us that our works shall be judged.  We shall enjoy reward or suffer loss, depending upon the outcome of that judgement.  He does not refer to loss of salvation in this context, but rather addresses those of us who are ultimately saved.  In this context "loss" refers to the suffering associated with the consuming fire's purification of us from those works we performed which were not  worthy of Christ, and of which we had not fully repented.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, all Christians indeed will face judgement following death.  Even those who are to be finally saved will be held accountable for their works, which follow them through death to a most just judgement.  Those works which were sinful or otherwise not worthy of Christ will be purged from us by a consuming fire.  We ourselves shall not be destroyed by this fire, but rather shall pass through it as a final purification.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This purification is necessary because, as Paul reminds us, "God's temple is holy, and that temple you are."  As the apostle John testifies, "nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]" (Revelation 21:27 RSV).  If before death we have not completely turned away from sin and renounced all attachment to sin and sinful desires; if we have not permitted God's grace to thoroughly complete our sanctification before death, then upon death we shall not yet be fit to enter heaven.  We must first face this Day of the Lord and His revealing fire.  These flames shall complete the purification that we failed to complete prior to death.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This purifying fire is a sobering reality, but is a proof of God's love and mercy.  For it is through this fire that our heavenly Father will perfectly complete the work of sanctification which He began in us.  Is it a second chance at salvation?  No, for those who do die outside of God's friendship will never enter heaven, and will only suffer the eternal fires of hell.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Only those who die in God's friendship shall be saved, and it is only these who may undergo this purification.  All of these shall enter heaven. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is this final purification a reason to be lax about our sanctification in this life?  Certainly not!  Jesus commands us: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;"You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48 RSV)&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God hates sin and requires us to do everything in our power to repent of it and live holy lives.  By grace this is possible.  Yet we know that Christians still struggle with sin.  Who among us would claim to have already reached the perfection of holiness that Jesus demands and which is a prerequisite of all who wish to enter heaven?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank God that His mercy extends even beyond the point of death, and He is able to complete the purification that He began within us, and which we cooperated with: provided we persevere to the end in His grace.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112502576752804982?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112502576752804982/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/08/1-corinthians-3-saved-but-only-as.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112502576752804982'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112502576752804982'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/08/1-corinthians-3-saved-but-only-as.html' title='1 Corinthians 3: Saved -but only as through fire.'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112242756591690696</id><published>2005-07-26T20:24:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T12:43:52.301-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Baptism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><title type='text'>Titus 3: Baby gets a bath</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Epistle of St. Paul to Titus, chapter 3&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/167bapti.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/320/167bapti.jpg" border="0" title="BELLINI, Giovanni.  Baptism of Christ, 1500-02. Oil on canvas, 400 x 263 cm&lt;br /&gt;Santa Corona, Vicenza"/&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;1 Admonish them to be subject to princes and powers, to obey at a word, to be ready to every good work. &lt;br /&gt;2 To speak evil of no man, not to be litigious, but gentle: shewing all mildness towards all men. &lt;br /&gt;3 For we ourselves also were some time unwise, incredulous, erring, slaves to divers desires and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. &lt;br /&gt;4 But when the goodness and kindness of God our Savior appeared: &lt;br /&gt;5 Not by the works of justice, which we have done, but according to his mercy, he saved us, by the laver of regeneration, and renovation of the Holy Ghost; &lt;br /&gt;6 Whom he hath poured forth upon us abundantly, through Jesus Christ our Savior: &lt;br /&gt;7 That, being justified by his grace, we may be heirs, according to hope of life everlasting. &lt;br /&gt;8 It is a faithful saying: and these things I will have thee affirm constantly: that they, who believe in God, may be careful to excel in good works. These things are good and profitable unto men. &lt;br /&gt;9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law. For they are unprofitable and vain. &lt;br /&gt;10 A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: &lt;br /&gt;11 Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment. &lt;br /&gt;12 When I shall send to thee Artemas or Tychicus, make haste to come unto me to Nicopolis. For there I have determined to winter. &lt;br /&gt;13 Send forward Zenas, the lawyer, and Apollo, with care, that nothing be wanting to them. &lt;br /&gt;14 And let our men also learn to excel in good works for necessary uses: that they be not unfruitful. &lt;br /&gt;15 All that are with me salute thee: salute them that love us in the faith. The grace of God be with you all. Amen.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In today's meeting there was much discussion about whether verses 4-6 refer to Baptism, and whether this Baptism rightly can be given to infants.  Of course the Catholics in the group answered 'yes' to both questions, although among the rest of the group the answers were somewhat mixed.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most seemed to agree that Baptism of adults and older children should not be given without some expression of faith by the recipient. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There was less agreement on Baptism and infants.  Some members were not comfortable with the idea that infants, apparently without any expression of free will, could legitimately receive Baptism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But consider the status of infant males under the Old Covenant.  They were made part of the covenant through circumcision on the "eighth day", and this rite was imposed upon infants by their parents in obedience to an uncompromising divine edict that made no provision for obtaining the child's consent:  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Genesis chapter 17&lt;br /&gt;12 An infant of eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations: he that is born in the house, as well as the bought servant shall be circumcised, and whosoever is not of your stock: &lt;br /&gt;13 And my covenant shall be in your flesh for a perpetual covenant. &lt;br /&gt;14 The male, whose dash of his foreskin shall not be circumcised, that soul shall be destroyed out of his people: because he hath broken my covenant.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scripture is clear that circumcision made infant males members of the Old Covenant. As Hebrew children grew in age and understanding, they became accountable for living out their faith in obedience to God's will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Scripture is likewise clear that the New Covenant founded by Christ is greater than the Old in every way, and its ceremony of initiation -Baptism- is offered to &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; persons.  Consider Saint Peter's Pentecost sermon:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Acts chapter 2&lt;br /&gt;37 Now when they had heard these things, they had compunction in their heart, and said to Peter, and to the rest of the apostles: What shall we do, men and brethren? &lt;br /&gt;38 But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. &lt;br /&gt;39 For the promise is to you, &lt;i&gt;and to your children&lt;/i&gt;, and to all that are far off, whomsoever the Lord our God shall call. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many Protestants would say that Peter clearly required that all must positively repent prior to Baptism.  But if this were so it would impose a restriction upon entry to the New Covenant that was not present in the Old Covenant in the case of young children.  It's important to realize that Peter was answering an adult question: "What shall we do?".  And Peter's answer was to those equipped to hear and respond to it: You must repent and be baptized.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But Peter immediately affirms that "the promise is to you, &lt;i&gt;and to your children&lt;/i&gt;, and to all that are far off, whomsoever the Lord our God shall call."  Therefore, three thousand were Baptized that day.  Is it plausible that the children in the crowd were denied Baptism after Peter's explicit teaching that the promise was for the adults and their children?  In light of Peter's exhortation it is hard to think that men, women, or children were denied Baptism that day.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ceremonial entry to the New Covenant is glorious in comparison with the Old.  It visibly embraces both women and men; it embraces Jew and non-Jew; it embraces old and young -even infants! Peter and Paul are adamant that in Baptism what really counts is not so much what the recipient is doing, but rather what God is doing.  It is God that makes Baptism effective.  It is God -not man's words or beliefs- that initiates regeneration, renewal, and new life.  So long as man cooperates to the extent God enables him, Baptism delivers all the spiritual goods that Scripture promises.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While circumcision truly brought even infants into the Old Covenant, it did not bring about spiritual regeneration.  Baptism does both, and because the power depends on God's passionate desire to call &lt;i&gt;all&lt;/i&gt; persons to receive eternal life, He imparts regeneration and renewal to &lt;i&gt;every&lt;/i&gt; recipient of Baptism who does not place an obstacle in God's way.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is why infants not only &lt;i&gt;can&lt;/i&gt; be Baptized, but why they &lt;i&gt;should&lt;/i&gt; be Baptized by their parents with great joy and at the earliest practical opportunity.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112242756591690696?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112242756591690696/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/07/titus-3-baby-gets-bath.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112242756591690696'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112242756591690696'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/07/titus-3-baby-gets-bath.html' title='Titus 3: Baby gets a bath'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-112113068868011393</id><published>2005-07-11T20:09:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T08:49:52.609-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>Titus 1: "...I also appointed thee"</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Book%20of%20Titus%2C%20in%20Latin%2C%2013th%20c.%20%20Oxford%2C%20England1.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/320/Book%20of%20Titus%2C%20in%20Latin%2C%2013th%20c.%20%20Oxford%2C%20England.jpg" border="0" alt="Book of Titus, in Latin, 13th c.  Oxford, England" /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Epistle of St. Paul to Titus, Chapter 1&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1 Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of the elect of God and the acknowledging of the truth, which is according to godliness: 2 Unto the hope of life everlasting, which God, who lieth not, hath promised before the times of the world: 3 But hath in due times manifested his word in preaching, which is committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior: 4 To Titus my beloved son, according to the common faith, grace and peace from God the Father, and from Christ Jesus our Savior. 5 For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee: 6 If any be without crime, the husband of one wife, having faithful children, not accused of riot, or unruly. 7 For a bishop must be without crime, as the steward of God: not proud, not subject to anger, not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre: 8 But given to hospitality, gentle, sober, just, holy, continent: 9 Embracing that faithful word which is according to doctrine, that he may be able to exhort in sound doctrine, and to convince the gainsayers. 10 For there are also many disobedient, vain talkers, and seducers: especially they who are of the circumcision: 11 Who must be reproved, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. 12 One of them a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are always liars, evil beasts, slothful bellies. 13 This testimony is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men, who turn themselves away from the truth. 15 All things are clean to the clean: but to them that are defiled, and to unbelievers, nothing is clean: but both their mind and their conscience are defiled. 16 They profess that they know God: but in their works they deny him; being abominable, and incredulous, and to every good work reprobate. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I risk repetition on the topic of apostolic authority, but it's only because Paul repeatedly stresses this central theme in his letters.  In his letter to Titus Paul raises the matter again before he even concludes his greeting!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;3 But hath in due times manifested his word in preaching, which is committed to me according to the commandment of God our Savior... 5 For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldest ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How does Paul understand God's word to be "manifested" "in due times"?  Elsewhere he elaborates on Jesus Christ as the Word made flesh, but here his focus is on the Word of God in its verbal form, which is transmitted primarily "in preaching", and by teachers designated through the authority of the apostles.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/St.Paul.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/320/St.Paul.jpg" border="0" alt="Saint Paul. Breviary of Martin of Aragon. Spain, Catalonia, 15th Century."  /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By whose preaching?  Paul's... and the other apostles and those whom they have ordained to the task.  Again and again through Paul's letters he refers to the special commission that the apostles have uniquely received, and which distinguishes them as authoritative both in teaching and in governing the Church.  Paul's Church is not one in which one is a teacher or pastor simply because he feels the urge, or because his friends voted to approve him to the role.  It's a matter of apostolic authority, and Paul is uncompromising on it.  For him it's vital to preserving and proclaiming the full Gospel in a world in which there are so many distorted gospels and counterfeit teachers. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this chapter, he reminds Titus that just as he, Paul, was "committed" the Gospel by the "commandment of God", so he has now appointed Titus to carry on this mission and to carefully appoint other men to share in this role through the ministries of priest ("presbyter") and bishop ("overseer").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Throughout these letters to Timothy and Titus, does Paul &lt;i&gt;ever&lt;/i&gt; offer an alternative to this model of apostolic ministry?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-112113068868011393?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/112113068868011393/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/07/titus-1-i-also-appointed-thee.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112113068868011393'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/112113068868011393'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/07/titus-1-i-also-appointed-thee.html' title='Titus 1: &quot;...I also appointed thee&quot;'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-111992939541375734</id><published>2005-06-27T23:58:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T09:03:39.757-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>2 Timothy 3: Dangerous times</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/St.%20Paul%20preaching%20in%20Athens.raphael52.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/200/St.%20Paul%20preaching%20in%20Athens.raphael52.jpg" border="0" alt="Raphael. Cartoon for St. Paul Preaching in Athens. c1513-1514. Mixed media on paper, mounted on canvas. Victoria and Albert Museum, London, UK." /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;2 Timothy Chapter 3 (RSV)&lt;br /&gt;1 Know also this, that, in the last days, shall come dangerous times.&lt;br /&gt;2 Men shall be lovers of themselves, covetous, haughty, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, wicked,&lt;br /&gt;3 Without affection, without peace, slanderers, incontinent, unmerciful, without kindness,&lt;br /&gt;4 Traitors, stubborn, puffed up, and lovers of pleasures more than of God:&lt;br /&gt;5 Having an appearance indeed of godliness, but denying the power thereof. Now these avoid.&lt;br /&gt;6 For of these sort are they who creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, who are led away with divers desires:&lt;br /&gt;7 Ever learning, and never attaining to the knowledge of the truth.&lt;br /&gt;8 Now as Jannes and Mambres resisted Moses, so these also resist the truth, men corrupted in mind, reprobate concerning the faith.&lt;br /&gt;9 But they shall proceed no farther; for their folly shall be manifest to all men, as theirs also was.&lt;br /&gt;10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, love, patience,&lt;br /&gt;11 Persecutions, afflictions: such as came upon me at Antioch, at Iconium, and at Lystra: what persecutions I endured, and out of them all the Lord delivered me.&lt;br /&gt;12 And all that will live godly in Christ Jesus, shall suffer persecution.&lt;br /&gt;13 But evil men and seducers shall grow worse and worse: erring, and driving into error.&lt;br /&gt;14 But continue thou in those things which thou hast learned, and which have been committed to thee: knowing of whom thou hast learned them;&lt;br /&gt;15 And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice,&lt;br /&gt;17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work.&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Throughout this epistle Paul has passionately urged Timothy to preserve and transmit "the gospel which thou hast heard of me in faith" (2 Timothy 1:13). He calls it, "my gospel" (2 Timothy 2:8). He does not mean that he owns it, but he means to distinguish the gospel which he has received and transmitted to Timothy, from the many other false gospels being spread by false teachers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now Paul tells us something about these false teachers. He characterizes them not so much by their erroneous doctrine as by their unseen, disordered passions and sinful lives. They perhaps present an "appearance... of godliness" but deny its power (2 Timothy 3:5). What does this mean? Paul explains.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He compares them to Jannes and Mambres, whose names Paul knows not from Scripture -they are named nowhere else in the Bible- but by oral tradition. These men were Pharoah's magicians, who when confronted with Moses, God's appointed messenger, resisted him and his message. When Moses displayed God's power through his staff turned serpent, Jannes and Mambres likewise produced serpents from staffs. Whether their sign was a clever magician's trick or was brought about by demonic power, the purpose of their counterfeit sign was to discredit Moses and deny the truth of his testimony. Even though Moses' serpent devoured the others, the magicians' efforts contributed to the hardening of Pharoah's heart as well as their own.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Similarly, the false teachers of whom Paul warns Timothy produce a false sign -the appearance of godliness- to conceal the reality that they are not sent by God and do not bear His message. Their "appearance of godliness" -a sham holiness and supposed knowledge of spiritual things- is skin deep, for their lives contradict the truth that God truly gives the power to turn from sin and grow in holiness. These false teachers do not believe or wish to believe that such transformation is possible or necessary.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;From the first centuries of Christianity, some heretics promoted the error that only the soul is good, and all matter is evil; therefore, they taught, we should expect the body to desire and to naturally carry out evil acts, and that temptations to such sins can be irresistible. If they are irresistible, we aren't culpable for giving in to them. These heretics taught that if the body is evil, it is futile to try to make it behave virtuously. In the end, they held that salvation for Christians is salvation of the spirit, and the body can be permitted to run its course of sin.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul seems to be addressing just this sort of error. He identifies "silly women laden with sins" (2 Timothy 3:6) as particularly vulnerable to the lie that we can not resist temptations to sin. Women -then, just as now in many places- are too often victimized by men seeking conquest and sexual gratification without cost or consequence. The false teachers condemned by Paul in this chapter perhaps included some who were spreading a false message as a means for taking advantage of women in a particularly demeaning way: their victims would be left with an increased burden of guilt from which they would feel powerless to be freed. For them, the Gospel has been emptied of its power to bring about godliness.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In contrast, Paul's gospel is one of salvation for the whole person, body and soul, and a life transformed by the Gospel is one illuminated by holiness and virtue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-111992939541375734?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/111992939541375734/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/06/2-timothy-3-dangerous-times.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111992939541375734'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111992939541375734'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/06/2-timothy-3-dangerous-times.html' title='2 Timothy 3: Dangerous times'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-111993478708110490</id><published>2005-06-27T22:45:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T09:04:32.193-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>2 Timothy 3: Finding the Gospel, the Bible way</title><content type='html'>Here are two different ways to find someone sent by God to definitively preach the Gospel: which is &lt;em&gt;the Bible way?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Method 1:&lt;br /&gt;Seek out a preacher whose message about Christ sounds right, and appears to agree with Scripture. If so, observe his life to determine whether his example agrees with his teaching. If so, acknowlege him as a man of God and an authentic teacher of God's Word.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Method 2:&lt;br /&gt;Seek out a person who has received the gift of the imposition of hands -like Timothy- from one who himself has received this apostolic gift -like Paul. Embrace his teachings unless they appear to contradict what the Church and Scripture clearly teach.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Method 1 is essentially a Protestant approach. It relies on me -with the help of the Holy Spirit- determining whether a given preacher is teaching and living the truth, in which case I will decide to believe what he says. If at some point his message doesn't sound quite right or his life doesn't look quite right, I'll have to reconsider.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Method 2 is essentially a Catholic approach. It relies on the scriptural fact that Jesus gave His apostles the power to preach the Gospel and through the imposition of hands to pass on that ministry to others, who are also able to do the same. Therefore, God sends us teachers who have been publicly set aside for that ministry according to the clear pattern set down in the Gospel and followed continuously since the first century. If such a man then teaches things that seem to contradict what Scripture and the Church teach, then I have to be careful not to be deceived by his potentially false teachings. If his life contadicts his teachings, then again I have cause for caution.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/Tiffany_UCCMontclair_Paul_before_Agrippa.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/200/Tiffany_UCCMontclair_Paul_before_Agrippa.jpg" border="0" alt="Paul before Agrippa.  Tiffany Studios.  Union Congregational Church, Montclair, NJ." /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Note that the two methods are rather different. Method 1 requires me to build a case FOR a preacher in order to decide whether, in effect, his message is good enough to be believed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Method 2 more exemplifies the belief that Jesus makes His appointed teachers readily recognizable, just as He did in the first century, and they are to be welcomed with respect and trust. We recognize them the way early Christians were to recognize the teachers sent to them: they were sent by the apostles or those sent by the apostles. At the same time, we must recognize that individual teachers can teach error, and their words must be weighed against the teachings handed down by the apostles through Scripture and Tradition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These legitimately ordained teachers teach with true authority as long as they continue to teach in union with the successors of Peter and the other apostles.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-111993478708110490?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/111993478708110490/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/06/2-timothy-3-finding-gospel-bible-way.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111993478708110490'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111993478708110490'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/06/2-timothy-3-finding-gospel-bible-way.html' title='2 Timothy 3: Finding the Gospel, &lt;em&gt;the Bible way&lt;/em&gt;'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-111932700215582241</id><published>2005-06-20T23:08:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T08:49:52.609-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>2 Timothy 3: sacred Scripture and sacred Tradition</title><content type='html'>&lt;a href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/1600/ConversionOfPaul%20on%20road%20to%20Damascus.Carravagio.jpg"&gt;&lt;img style="float:right; margin:0 0 10px 10px;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/3043/668/320/ConversionOfPaul%20on%20road%20to%20Damascus.Carravagio.jpg" border="0" alt="The Conversion of St. Paul.  Carravaggio, 1600. Oil on cypress wood, 237 x 189 cm.  Odescalchi Balbi Collection, Rome." /&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul wrote to Timothy:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;14 But continue thou in those things which thou hast learned, and which have been committed to thee: knowing of whom thou hast learned them; &lt;br /&gt;15 And because from thy infancy thou hast known the holy scriptures, which can instruct thee to salvation, by the faith which is in Christ Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;16 All scripture, inspired of God, is profitable to teach, to reprove, to correct, to instruct in justice, &lt;br /&gt;17 That the man of God may be perfect, furnished to every good work. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This passage offers a clear view of Paul's concept of how the Gospel is transmitted: by Scripture and apostolic preaching.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Verse 14 urges Timothy to hold fast to the teachings which have been "committed" to him.  On what basis?  Because Timothy knows that Paul, the messenger of those teachings, is an apostle.  Timothy is to "continue" in these things not because they sound good or seem plausible, but because Paul expects Timothy to recognize Paul's position as an apostle and therefore one who speaks definitively with teaching authority received from Jesus.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Verses 15-17 affirm the divine inspiration and value of Scripture in providing instruction profitable in achieving salvation.  But these verses were written in the same breath, so to speak, as verse 14, and so rightly coexist with a harmonious meaning.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul never taught that oral tradition made Scripture unnecessary, nor did he teach the opposite.  Rather, as the whole passage makes clear, Timothy is exhorted to respect and live by all the apostolic teachings he has received, whether they have been communicated to him via sacred Scripture or by authoritative apostolic preaching.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-111932700215582241?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/111932700215582241/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/06/2-timothy-3-sacred-scripture-and.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111932700215582241'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111932700215582241'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/06/2-timothy-3-sacred-scripture-and.html' title='2 Timothy 3: sacred Scripture and sacred Tradition'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-111932923186152523</id><published>2005-06-20T23:03:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T08:49:52.609-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>2 Timothy 2: Five generations of apostolic tradition!</title><content type='html'>Paul exhorts Timothy,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace which is in Christ Jesus: &lt;br /&gt;2 And the things which thou hast heard of me by many witnesses, the same commend to faithful men, who shall be fit to teach others also. &lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's unpack that verse 2... &lt;br /&gt;-Paul spoke certain things to "many witnesses";&lt;br /&gt;-these witnesses delivered these things to Timothy;&lt;br /&gt;-Timothy is to commend these things to "faithful men";&lt;br /&gt;-These men are to teach others.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Count 'em... that's five links in a chain, an unbroken chain by which the Gospel is transmitted from apostle to the far reaches of the Church via those appointed to teach.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We've already seen in the book of Acts how, after he was called by Jesus, Paul was visibly appointed to the office of apostle through the imposition of hands.  And we have seen Paul speak of how he appointed Timothy to a similar role -also through the imposition of hands.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now we see the bigger picture.  Paul and the other apostles can't preach the Gospel to the whole world alone.  They recognize that they have received a divine commission and have teaching authority, but they also recognize that they have the power to appoint other men to share in this same office.  Timothy has received this office and ministry through the imposition of hands, as have so many others before and after him.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-111932923186152523?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/111932923186152523/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/06/2-timothy-2-five-generations-of.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111932923186152523'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111932923186152523'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/06/2-timothy-2-five-generations-of.html' title='2 Timothy 2: Five generations of apostolic tradition!'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-111637688486104173</id><published>2005-05-17T19:33:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T12:43:52.301-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Marriage'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sacraments'/><title type='text'>1 Timothy 3: Why can't Catholic bishops marry?</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;Today the question was asked, "Paul clearly permitted married men to become bishops, but the Catholic Church doesn't let married men become bishops. Doesn't Catholic practice on this point contradict Scripture?" Excellent question.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's important to recognize that scripture distinguishes between doctrine and church practice or "discipline". Doctrine -official teaching about matters of faith and morals- can't change because divine truth doesn't change. What's true is true. Church discipline, on the other hand, is a separate matter. It refers to how the Church maintains order and carries out its mission.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Without going into the history of why the Church later adopted the rule of celibacy for bishops, the fact remains that the Church regards this not as a doctrine but simply as a matter of discipline, and has kept the rule in place for many centuries because she judges it to be a worthy and wise practice, one which has yielded great blessings for the Church. You and I may agree or disagree with the wisdom of the rule, but that's hardly relevant. The point is the Church has the authority to govern itself in matters of practice for the sake of the good of its members, and it has this authority from Christ.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now, as circumstances change, the best way to maintain order and promote the good can likewise change. Someday, the Pope conceivably could cancel the rule of celibacy for bishops. The New Testament shows numerous of examples of the Church developing disciplines, and we don't have to look far for one. In our meeting today, there was some disagreement over this simple fact.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet just a few verses earlier Paul wrote,&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:times new roman;"&gt;"women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire 10 but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. 11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. 12 I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent." 1 Timothy 2:9-12 RSV&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:arial;"&gt;If we are to maintain that sort of teaching in the New Testament is a matter of unchangeable doctrine, how are we to interpret this passage? One must conclude that today women are obliged to remove braids from their hair, gold jewelry from their bodies, and must learn in silence from their husbands -no matter how ignorant of the faith their husbands may be! What's more, nowhere in the New Testament are these rules cancelled.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Catholic Church does not teach that these rules about women are matters of unchangeable doctrine, so I'm free to believe that they were temporary rules which Paul imposed for a unique set of circumstances in a local church, circumstances which do not apply everywhere today. But I'm deeply curious about how some of my Protestant brothers and sisters can justify setting aside Paul's restrictions on women if they do not acknowlege the Church's power to interpret Scripture, discern discipline from doctrine, and make temporary rules to address temporary situations.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-111637688486104173?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/111637688486104173/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/05/1-timothy-3-why-cant-catholic-bishops.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111637688486104173'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111637688486104173'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/05/1-timothy-3-why-cant-catholic-bishops.html' title='1 Timothy 3: Why can&apos;t Catholic bishops marry?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-111630457509003434</id><published>2005-05-16T23:22:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2009-04-23T08:49:52.610-05:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apostolic tradition'/><title type='text'>1 Timothy 3: What is the "pillar and bullwark of truth"?</title><content type='html'>My Protestant brothers and sisters rightly have a great love for Scripture and revere it as the Word of God. But if, as many of them claim, Scripture and Scripture alone is to be our sole rule of faith, then why doesn't Scripture anywhere say so?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does Paul say that the "pillar and bullwark of truth" is Scripture? No. He describes "the church of the living God" as "the pillar and bullwark of truth" (1 Timothy 3:15 RSV)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does this place the Church above Scripture? No, but it places the Church and Scripture in proper perspective. Elsewhere Paul says, "So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter." (2 Thessalonians 2:15 RSV)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Paul's perspective -the Bible perspective- is that we have received the Gospel through men appointed by God, and their message has been transmitted to us by both written and oral means. The message is not authoritative simply because it is written down, but because it is of apostolic authority.  When Paul and the other apostles speak, their spoken words weigh as much as when they write.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Gospel and the whole message of Christ are transmitted to us not exclusively by the written word, but through the living Church in virtue of apostolic authority, through the laying on of hands.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Church had this apostolic foundation and leadership in the first century, because Jesus founded it that way. It needs and continues to enjoy that same foundation today, because truth is ever under attack and man is ever in need of a visible teacher, sent by God, whose authority comes from God through the apostles.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-111630457509003434?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/111630457509003434/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/05/1-timothy-3-what-is-pillar-and.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111630457509003434'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111630457509003434'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/05/1-timothy-3-what-is-pillar-and.html' title='1 Timothy 3: What is the &quot;pillar and bullwark of truth&quot;?'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12956919.post-111630169200672289</id><published>2005-05-16T22:39:00.000-05:00</published><updated>2005-05-16T22:51:00.756-05:00</updated><title type='text'>Background</title><content type='html'>We've been meeting once or twice weekly for years... mostly Protestants of various denominations and a few Catholics. It's been a wonderful experience in many ways. One of the things I especially enjoy is growing in my appreciation for the biblical foundation for the Catholic faith, and in trying to learn how to defend the faith scripturally and rationally. Learning from my Christian friends in the group has been no less rewarding, and their examples of faith have been a huge encouragement to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'd like to use this blog to sort of think out loud about some of the ideas we encounter in Crossfunction: especially ideas that relate to identifying the Church that Jesus founded, and how to distinguish that Church today.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/12956919-111630169200672289?l=crossfunction.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/feeds/111630169200672289/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/05/background.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111630169200672289'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/12956919/posts/default/111630169200672289'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://crossfunction.blogspot.com/2005/05/background.html' title='Background'/><author><name>John F Robin</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/06919503781887624705</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
